sobo Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Just swooping in here a la Seagull Management to claim my for the 200th reply. I'm leaving now. Carry on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 "J. Edgar" is an ambiguous love story of repressed homosexuality. I'd recommend it highly for certain particular posters, even if the overall cinematic experience wasn't the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 . . . even if the overall cinematic experience wasn't the best. Don't be too hard on her. I mean, hey, some girls just aren't into listening to their ego maniacal beau talk all over the on-screen dialogue at the same time he's shoving 3000cal of Orville Redenbaucher's non-stop into his hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 i'm sure tvash will trade you a photo of him scarfing down a bag of caramel bugles in exchange for one of you banging a betty? honestly, no one gives a crap about such things of course - for myself, i do wonder why you've emerged from the preternatural slime all charged up over al gore's cause of the lost decade? jesus h tap-dancing christ, where's the nut in bitch'n'bout global climate change or whatever the machine wants to call it these days? and how are any of the proposed solutions (less oil consumption, more efficient electronics, green energy innovation, etc) evils on the same scale as war w/o end, titanic public debt, the dismantling of the state, corporate co-opting of the republic, etc.? is this really where the Good Fight needs to be made currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Keep it together, Ivan. You're in the wrong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I haven't commented much on the self-proclaimed 99%'ers. My posts are targeted toward generating angst in the hearts of those whom I know to be particularly predisposed to hypocrisy. Not sure why you always seem to be the first to jump in when TTK's fumbling all over himself--you're pretty far above him on the scale of smarts. Could be a little of that man-love worship thing that's been going around lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 It's because Ivan has tied in with Pat, and Pats online persona differs in that in person he is reportedly a much nicer person. That might be something you share with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 It's because Ivan has tied in with Pat, and Pats online persona differs in that in person he is reportedly a much nicer person. That might be something you share with him? Please don't spoil this for all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Friendship and love are tough for some folks. Repression only makes things worse. You got one guy who's made a bunch of friends here, and one who hasn't. That's the way things go in the herd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 You got one guy who's made a bunch of friends here, and one who hasn't. You remind me of this guy, doggonnit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 What do Kojak's man-boobs have to do with any of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'd mark 'Dwayner style sense of humor' down as one probable cause for the his friend-free experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Not sure why you always seem to be the first to jump in when TTK's fumbling all over himself? might have something to do w/ there only being like 4 people who post w/ any frequency 'rooooound here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 "Hypocracy Monitor". That'll win ya more friends than the Junior Cop who marks the tires in da Hi Skoo parking lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Protesters: 1 the State: 0 Protesters: 2 the State: 0 DON'T TAZE ME (AGAIN) BRO!!!!! http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2011/11/29/occupy-protesters-tasered-arrested-at-washington-state-capitol-building/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 ...and how are any of the proposed solutions (less oil consumption, more efficient electronics, green energy innovation, etc) evils on the same scale as war w/o end, titanic public debt, the dismantling of the state, corporate co-opting of the republic, etc.? Now that's some of the best political commentary I've seen or read in some time in any media (particularly in the wake of AMR's chapter 11 filing to "stay competitive" - after all, isn't that what underwater home owners would like to do as well?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 i'm sure tvash will trade you a photo of him scarfing down a bag of caramel bugles in exchange for one of you banging a betty? honestly, no one gives a crap about such things of course - for myself, i do wonder why you've emerged from the preternatural slime all charged up over al gore's cause of the lost decade? jesus h tap-dancing christ, where's the nut in bitch'n'bout global climate change or whatever the machine wants to call it these days? and how are any of the proposed solutions (less oil consumption, more efficient electronics, green energy innovation, etc) evils on the same scale as war w/o end, titanic public debt, the dismantling of the state, corporate co-opting of the republic, etc.? is this really where the Good Fight needs to be made currently? The guy behind the "Climategate" released a statement to accompany the second tranche of e-mail disclosures... /// FOIA 2011 -- Background and Context /// "Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day." "Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes." "One dollar can save a life" -- the opposite must also be true. "Poverty is a death sentence." "Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels." Today's decisions should be based on all the information we can get.... http://foia2011.org/ Not sure where whoever this is ranks the various ills that can beset humanity, but there are quite a few folks including myself that accept the scientific consensus that the globe is warming and CO2 emissions are driving the change who nonetheless think that diverting trillions of dollars into limiting emissions will be a massive waste of money because it won't actually do much to prevent warming, will cripple or at least substantially hinder economic growth, and waste precious resources that could be put to much better use if the goal is to prevent human suffering and ecosystem damage. Given the yawning chasm between the rich world's economic output and its present future commitments to its old people - anything that makes it tougher to pay for them by hindering growth and output is toast. Might as well accept that, quit the international kabuki dance, and allow smart folks to benefit by giving people the tools to make more stuff with fewer resources and learn to live in a world with a higher CO2 concentration for the next few centuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Might as well accept that, quit the international kabuki dance, and allow smart folks to benefit by giving people the tools to make more stuff with fewer resources and learn to live in a world with a higher CO2 concentration for the next few centuries. Some are "learning" to live in a degraded environment quite easily... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 Others, not so much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 i'm sure tvash will trade you a photo of him scarfing down a bag of caramel bugles in exchange for one of you banging a betty? honestly, no one gives a crap about such things of course - for myself, i do wonder why you've emerged from the preternatural slime all charged up over al gore's cause of the lost decade? jesus h tap-dancing christ, where's the nut in bitch'n'bout global climate change or whatever the machine wants to call it these days? and how are any of the proposed solutions (less oil consumption, more efficient electronics, green energy innovation, etc) evils on the same scale as war w/o end, titanic public debt, the dismantling of the state, corporate co-opting of the republic, etc.? is this really where the Good Fight needs to be made currently? The guy behind the "Climategate" released a statement to accompany the second tranche of e-mail disclosures... /// FOIA 2011 -- Background and Context /// "Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day." "Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes." "One dollar can save a life" -- the opposite must also be true. "Poverty is a death sentence." "Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels." Today's decisions should be based on all the information we can get.... http://foia2011.org/ Not sure where whoever this is ranks the various ills that can beset humanity, but there are quite a few folks including myself that accept the scientific consensus that the globe is warming and CO2 emissions are driving the change who nonetheless think that diverting trillions of dollars into limiting emissions will be a massive waste of money because it won't actually do much to prevent warming, will cripple or at least substantially hinder economic growth, and waste precious resources that could be put to much better use if the goal is to prevent human suffering and ecosystem damage. Given the yawning chasm between the rich world's economic output and its present future commitments to its old people - anything that makes it tougher to pay for them by hindering growth and output is toast. Might as well accept that, quit the international kabuki dance, and allow smart folks to benefit by giving people the tools to make more stuff with fewer resources and learn to live in a world with a higher CO2 concentration for the next few centuries. i'm confused on the connection between what i said and you said obviously, the bottom line is human happiness, be the matter at hand the environoment, taxes, pitbulls in city-parks, whatever specifics are easiest to comprehend - the al gore types want to see less use of fossil fuels - isn't oil going to run out rather soon, in the grand sense of time, and if it is in fact tied up in damaging the envirnoment, isn't it wise to push alternatives as soon as possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 i'm sure tvash will trade you a photo of him scarfing down a bag of caramel bugles in exchange for one of you banging a betty? honestly, no one gives a crap about such things of course - for myself, i do wonder why you've emerged from the preternatural slime all charged up over al gore's cause of the lost decade? jesus h tap-dancing christ, where's the nut in bitch'n'bout global climate change or whatever the machine wants to call it these days? and how are any of the proposed solutions (less oil consumption, more efficient electronics, green energy innovation, etc) evils on the same scale as war w/o end, titanic public debt, the dismantling of the state, corporate co-opting of the republic, etc.? is this really where the Good Fight needs to be made currently? The guy behind the "Climategate" released a statement to accompany the second tranche of e-mail disclosures... /// FOIA 2011 -- Background and Context /// "Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day." "Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes." "One dollar can save a life" -- the opposite must also be true. "Poverty is a death sentence." "Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels." Today's decisions should be based on all the information we can get.... http://foia2011.org/ Not sure where whoever this is ranks the various ills that can beset humanity, but there are quite a few folks including myself that accept the scientific consensus that the globe is warming and CO2 emissions are driving the change who nonetheless think that diverting trillions of dollars into limiting emissions will be a massive waste of money because it won't actually do much to prevent warming, will cripple or at least substantially hinder economic growth, and waste precious resources that could be put to much better use if the goal is to prevent human suffering and ecosystem damage. Given the yawning chasm between the rich world's economic output and its present future commitments to its old people - anything that makes it tougher to pay for them by hindering growth and output is toast. Might as well accept that, quit the international kabuki dance, and allow smart folks to benefit by giving people the tools to make more stuff with fewer resources and learn to live in a world with a higher CO2 concentration for the next few centuries. i'm confused on the connection between what i said and you said obviously, the bottom line is human happiness, be the matter at hand the environoment, taxes, pitbulls in city-parks, whatever specifics are easiest to comprehend - the al gore types want to see less use of fossil fuels - isn't oil going to run out rather soon, in the grand sense of time, and if it is in fact tied up in damaging the envirnoment, isn't it wise to push alternatives as soon as possible? Not necessarily. Depends on the cost, benefits, and feasibility. Mankind could have burned a lot of time, wealth, and energy trying to send a man to the moon using existing technology back in the 17th, 18th, or 19th century without achieving much beyond squandering the said time, energy, and resources. The point is there's lots of stuff that'll give humanity vastly more bang for the buck if the goal is to alleviate human suffering and minimize ecological damage. (list below). When and if there's an energy source that generates more energy at a lower cost with the same or better reliability than the stuff we use now that'll spur a massive investment binge since it'll pay for itself and then some. Might as well go down that path since adding a few dozen trillion dollars worth of friction to an economic machine that's shuddering under the load of existing obligations represents a road that the civilized world is never going to walk down, no matter how much wailing and teeth-gnashing the assorted scourges, scolds, and scrutineers amongst the conference-going class unleash at their bi-annual seances that try to bring it back from the dead. It's over. 1 Micronutrient supplements for children (vitamin A and zinc) Malnutrition 2 The Doha development agenda Trade 3 Micronutrient fortification (iron and salt iodization) Malnutrition 4 Expanded immunization coverage for children Diseases 5 Biofortification Malnutrition 6 Deworming and other nutrition programs at school Malnutrition & Education 7 Lowering the price of schooling Education 8 Increase andimprove girls’ schooling Women 9 Community-based nutrition promotion Malnutrition 10 Provide support for women’s reproductive role Women 11 Heart attack acute management Diseases 12 Malaria prevention and treatment Diseases 13 Tuberculosis case finding and treatment Diseases 14 R&D in low-carbon energy technologies Global Warming 15 Bio-sand filters for household water treatment Water 16 Rural water supply Water 17 Conditional cash transfers Education 18 Peace-keepingin post‐conflict situations Conflicts 19 HIV combination prevention Diseases 20 Total sanitation campaign Water 21 Improving surgical capacity at district hospital level Diseases 22 Microfinance Women 23 Improved stove intervention Air Pollution 24 Large, multipurpose dam in Africa Water 25 Inspection and maintenance of diesel vehicles Air Pollution 26 Low sulfur diesel for urban road vehicles Air Pollution 27 Diesel vehicle particulate control technology Air Pollution 28 Tobacco tax Diseases 29 R&D and mitigation Global Warming 30 Mitigation only Global Warming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 JayB's list reeks of Lomborg the fraudster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 there are quite a few folks including myself that accept the scientific consensus that the globe is warming and CO2 emissions are driving the change who nonetheless think that diverting trillions of dollars into limiting emissions will be a massive waste of money because it won't actually do much to prevent warming, will cripple or at least substantially hinder economic growth, and waste precious resources that could be put to much better use if the goal is to prevent human suffering and ecosystem damage. Given the yawning chasm between the rich world's economic output and its present future commitments to its old people - anything that makes it tougher to pay for them by hindering growth and output is toast. Might as well accept that, quit the international kabuki dance, and allow smart folks to benefit by giving people the tools to make more stuff with fewer resources and learn to live in a world with a higher CO2 concentration for the next few centuries. Except that Lomborg is wrong (and he is no climate scientist, nor any kind of ecologist). We don't have centuries before the consequences of climate change ruin us (and kill a few people, albeit mostly brown people ... so who cares, right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 JayB's arguments, with the characteristic sophistry and verbosity stripped away: The problem's too big to solve. Ignore. It's obvious by now that warming is primarily caused by emissions, but reducing emissions won't reduce warming. Any money/effort you put into reducing emissions could be better spent elsewhere. If the oceans collapse due to acidification, or the icecaps sluff into the sea, just adapt to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 You mean the biosphere isn't a piece of graph paper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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