tvashtarkatena Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Another failing aspect of Jay's argument is that it depends upon only one success criteria, as if all modes of transport had equal environmental impact, convenience, comfort, speed of travel, accessibility to low income folks, and effect on society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Whatever anyone does, be sure to exclude any spinoff benefits that might result from the original investment but that probably wouldn't be reflected in an immediate cost analysis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Any comparison of transportation that includes only federal subsidies, rather than state and local (which pay for most roads), is silly. Cherry picking alert! Why is it that nearly every one of your posts features some glaringly obvious rhetoric trick? Your either dishonest or just not very good at debate and analysis. I'm not convinced that the intensity of subsidization relative to revenue is going to change the picture at all, but if you've got the data that shows that state and local subsidies for the likes of Metro, the WSF, etc narrow or eliminate the subsidization gap on a passenger mile basis - that would be a welcome addition to the debate here. Happy Googling. It's your stupid argument. Own it. The only argument that I made was that it was silly to discuss the magnitude of transportation subsidies without normalizing them per passenger mile. I also presented data which you objected to because it was incomplete, and the tone of your response suggested that you were both familiar with and had ready access to a body of data that would support your own claim that the state/local data would lead to a subsidy-per-passenger mile data set that looked fundamentally different. I have to say that I am disappointed and astonished - shocked, really - to learn that you've been overtaken bit a fit of pique and will be keeping that data all to yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 The only argument that I made was that it was silly to discuss the magnitude of transportation subsidies without normalizing them per passenger mile. That was a statement, not an argument, dearie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Jay, why are you unable to make a moral distinction between different modes of transit? Do you also have a hard time picking a side in the American Civil War? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I'm waiting for a disquisition on the gross misunderstandings implicit in western critiques of Islamist mass transit subsidy policies before I answer that one, Off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Whatever anyone does, be sure to exclude any spinoff benefits that might result from the original investment but that probably wouldn't be reflected in an immediate cost analysis... neoliberals claim to know nothing of positive feedback on public investment, nor of negative feedback resulting from unregulated economic activity. They only know about positive feedback from private investments, and negative feedback from public economic activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 PRAISETHELORDHALLELUJAH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Jay, why are you unable to make a moral distinction between different modes of transit? Do you also have a hard time picking a side in the American Civil War? Jay_B has big problems picking a side in the Opium Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 i don't give a shit how much it costs, but i will vote for any gubmint that wants to put a bullet-train between pdx n' yosemite (assuming it comes w/ a smoking section) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 i don't give a shit how much it costs, but i will vote for any gubmint that wants to put a bullet-train between pdx n' yosemite (assuming it comes w/ a smoking section) There was a train to El Portal. It went under because -Massive Federal water project forced them to relocate lines -Convict labor (i.e subsidies) built a road roughly paralell -Big Ass War placed other demands on resources. In other news an A380 is the cheapest per passenger/km to fly; for some strange reason airlines aren't buying them to fly from Portland to Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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