BOLTS ON LUNDIN?

[max]

Hey why don't you provide some context here? I'm not votin', I'm just curious what the heck you're talking about!

 

[summitchaserCJB]

Sure. I thought I might skew the data if I gave my opinion subtly through an explanation but I'll proceed. So ya, there have been some deaths on Lundin, despite its class 4 terrain. There are two memorial plaques. But there are also two "memorial" bolts that are old, decrepit, unnecessary and probably dangerous as well as very unsightly. The only reason- I believe- they haven't been removed is because they are "memorial bolts". That's fine- I guess- but the plaques are more than enough memorial. I think two huge bolts on 4th class terrain gives the wrong message. It's saying that if people make big mistakes that we will murder the impossible. I mean, why not do via ferrata on every route where people die. We shouldn't destroy the aesthetics of a route that is definitely protectable naturally because of one person's mistakes.

I also understand the almost artistic message that the bolts portray but I think their time has passed.

I'm definitely not taking away from the deaths. The memorial plaques are fine (but I don't advocate placing plaques on every route for every death). I mean, lets face it- sometimes people screw up in the mountains. Why make a mockery of our sport by protecting fourth class terrain. Honestly I felt almost offended when I third classed down past the bolts. I think it makes climbers look stupid. Anyways, that's it.

Edited October 7, 2010 by summitchaserCJB

[Off_White]

Uh, you already let your opinion out of the bag by shouting out your thread title in ALL CAPS DUDE.

 

Haven't seen 'em, so I don't really have an opinion. You didn't put an "I don't care" option, so I can't really vote in your poll.

[summitchaserCJB]

If you don't care, don't post. Otherwise it's spray.

[Off_White]

I'm giving you feedback on both your thread title and your poll questions, not spraying.

[pink]

shouldn't the title be "am i right or am i right" rite???

[summitchaserCJB]

Thank you for the constructive criticism.

[summitchaserCJB]

I was hoping to gauge the public opinion on this matter. It's always nice to use thought before action.

[pink]

i see this

a)

b)

or

b)

 

[summitchaserCJB]

Pink, sort of.

I didn't want to exclude the newbs who "need" the bolts.

[el jefe]

what does "natural protection" mean, anyway? do cams and stoppers grow on trees somewhere?

 

my vote: who gives a fuck.

[chirp]

[pope]

what does "natural protection" mean, anyway? do cams and stoppers grow on trees somewhere?

 

my vote: who gives a fuck.

 

Looooooooozer!

[Raindawg]

If you don't care, don't post. Otherwise it's spray.

 

Dude....first of all, why are you posting Lundin Peak jive in the rock climbing forum?

 

Second of all, junior, show some respect. The moderator you are chastising with your "don't post" comment [in deconstructed form,= "shut up"] has probably been climbing more years than you've been alive!

 

 

[fenderfour]

Chopping bolts, especially bolts that have been around longer than you have been climbing and possibly longer than you have been alive is going to cause problems. Leave it be and stop trying to leave your mark on the NW climbing scene.

 

I may have a different opinion if someone who knew what they are doing was asking the question.

[Fairweather]

As of about 4 years ago, the two gigantic bolt hangers on the top of Lundin appeared to be home-made, aluminum, and weren't even polished out. I remember being so worried that they'd cut through webbing that we used the rock horn instead.

[S1W]

SC,

 

Shouldn't you be happy that they're there? It must have been pretty cool to "3rd class down past them", realizing what a bad ass you are for not needing them.

[el jefe]

what does "natural protection" mean, anyway? do cams and stoppers grow on trees somewhere?

 

my vote: who gives a fuck.

 

Looooooooozer!

 

a posting from pope himself! is the sleeping curmudgeon awake again?

[kevbone]

This must be a Seattle thing. Never heard of Lundin Peak.

[G-spotter]

This must be a Seattle thing. Never heard of Lundin Peak.

 

We can never forget that your ignorance is boundless, because of your frequent attempts to remind us.

[dberdinka]

Those bolts should go. They are ridiculous.

[kukuzka1]

Isnt that a popular mountaineers[possibly others]guided outing? not that that makes them alright.

[summitchaserCJB]

So basically no one wants them, right? Did I ever mention chopping? Take a chill pill, fenderfour.

Edited October 7, 2010 by summitchaserCJB

[Mr. Hands]

Chopping bolts, especially bolts that have been around longer than you have been climbing and possibly longer than you have been alive is going to cause problems. Leave it be and stop trying to leave your mark on the NW climbing scene.

 

I may have a different opinion if someone who knew what they are doing was asking the question.

 

Classic!

Edited October 7, 2010 by Mr. Hands

[Mr. Hands]

Summitchaser... you really are a fucking IDIOT!