God vs. Allah

[prole]

This will surely succeed in both showing the world's Muslims the error of their barbaric ways and showcasing America's freedoms!

 

Fla. minister determined to hold 9/11 Quran burn

 

GAINESVILLE, Fla. – The leader of a small Florida church that espouses anti-Islam philosophy said Wednesday he was determined to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11, despite pressure from the White House, religious leaders and others to call it off.

 

Pastor Terry Jones said at a press conference that he has received a lot of encouragement for his protest, with supporters mailing copies of the Islamic holy text to his Gainesville church of about 50 followers. The plan is to incinerated the Qurans in a bonfire Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of 9/11.

 

"As of right now, we are not convinced that backing down is the right thing," said Jones, who took no questions.

 

Jones said previously he has received more than 100 death threats and has started carrying a .40-caliber pistol since announcing his plan to burn the book Muslims consider the word of God and insist be treated with the utmost respect. The 58-year-old minister proclaimed in July that he would stage "International Burn-a-Quran Day."

 

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Kabul, took the rare step of a military leader taking a position on a domestic matter when he warned in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence."

 

Petraeus spoke Wednesday with Afghan President Karzai about the matter, according to a military spokesman Col. Erik Gunhus. "They both agreed that burning of a Quran would undermine our effort in Afghanistan, jeopardize the safety of coalition troopers and civilians," Gunhus said, and would "create problems for our Afghan partners ... as it likely would be Afghan police and soldiers who would have to deal with any large demonstrations."

 

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said that the pastor's plans were outrageous and urged Jones to cancel the event.

 

"It is regrettable that a pastor in Gainesville, Florida, with a church of no more than 50 people can make this outrageous and distrustful, disgraceful plan and get the world's attention, but that's the world we live in right now," Clinton said in remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations. "It is unfortunate, it is not who we are," she said.

 

Jones gained some local notoriety last year when he posted signs in front of his church declaring "Islam is of the Devil." But his Quran-burning idea attracted wider attention. It drew rebukes from Muslim nations and at home as an emotional debate was taking shape over the proposed Islamic center near the ground zero site of the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York.

 

His actions likely would be protected by the First Amendment's right to free speech. The U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that speech deemed offensive to many people, even the majority of people, cannot be suppressed by the government unless it is clearly directed to intimidate someone or amounts to an incitement to violence, legal experts said.

 

The Vatican denounced the planned Quran burning as "outrageous and grave."

 

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting Tuesday with religious leaders to discuss recent attacks on Muslims and mosques around the U.S. called the planned burning idiotic and dangerous, according to a Justice Department official. The official requested anonymity because the meeting was private.

 

David Axelrod, senior adviser to President Barack Obama told CNN Wednesday morning: "The reverend may have the right to do what he's doing but it's not right. It's not consistent with our values ... I hope that his conscience and his good sense will take hold."

 

Staffan de Mistura, head of the United Nations Mission in Afghanistan, expressed concern and outrage "in the strongest possible terms," and added, "If such an abhorrent act were to be implemented, it would only contribute to fueling the arguments of those who are indeed against peace and reconciliation in Afghanistan."

 

Local religious leaders in this progressive Florida city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus also criticized the lanky preacher with the bushy white mustache. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city have mobilized to plan inclusive events — some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services. A student group is organizing a protest across the street from the church Saturday.

 

Gainesville's new mayor, Craig Lowe, who during his campaign became the target of a Jones-led protest because he is openly gay, has declared Sept. 11 Interfaith Solidarity Day in the city.

 

The fire department has denied Jones a required burn permit, but he said lawyers have told him he has the right to burn the Qurans, with or without the city's permission.

 

In Afghanistan, Jones' planned burning continued to provoke outrage.

 

"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

 

Kabul resident, Rajab Ali said, "If this (burning of the Quran) happens there will be chaos in Afghanistan and being a Muslim, if we don't defend the Quran then what else we can do?"

 

The Quran, according to Jones, is "evil" because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.

 

Muslims consider the Quran along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad to be sacred. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect Quran is deeply offensive.

 

Jones' Dove Outreach Center is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.

[tvashtarkatena]

This will surely succeed in both showing the world's Muslims the error of their barbaric ways and showcasing America's freedoms!

 

Fla. minister determined to hold 9/11 Quran burn

 

GAINESVILLE, Fla. – The leader of a small Florida church that espouses anti-Islam philosophy said Wednesday he was determined to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11, despite pressure from the White House, religious leaders and others to call it off.

 

Pastor Terry Jones said at a press conference that he has received a lot of encouragement for his protest, with supporters mailing copies of the Islamic holy text to his Gainesville church of about 50 followers. The plan is to incinerated the Qurans in a bonfire Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of 9/11.

 

"As of right now, we are not convinced that backing down is the right thing," said Jones, who took no questions.

 

Jones said previously he has received more than 100 death threats and has started carrying a .40-caliber pistol since announcing his plan to burn the book Muslims consider the word of God and insist be treated with the utmost respect. The 58-year-old minister proclaimed in July that he would stage "International Burn-a-Quran Day."

 

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. and NATO commander in Kabul, took the rare step of a military leader taking a position on a domestic matter when he warned in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence."

 

Petraeus spoke Wednesday with Afghan President Karzai about the matter, according to a military spokesman Col. Erik Gunhus. "They both agreed that burning of a Quran would undermine our effort in Afghanistan, jeopardize the safety of coalition troopers and civilians," Gunhus said, and would "create problems for our Afghan partners ... as it likely would be Afghan police and soldiers who would have to deal with any large demonstrations."

 

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said that the pastor's plans were outrageous and urged Jones to cancel the event.

 

"It is regrettable that a pastor in Gainesville, Florida, with a church of no more than 50 people can make this outrageous and distrustful, disgraceful plan and get the world's attention, but that's the world we live in right now," Clinton said in remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations. "It is unfortunate, it is not who we are," she said.

 

Jones gained some local notoriety last year when he posted signs in front of his church declaring "Islam is of the Devil." But his Quran-burning idea attracted wider attention. It drew rebukes from Muslim nations and at home as an emotional debate was taking shape over the proposed Islamic center near the ground zero site of the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York.

 

His actions likely would be protected by the First Amendment's right to free speech. The U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that speech deemed offensive to many people, even the majority of people, cannot be suppressed by the government unless it is clearly directed to intimidate someone or amounts to an incitement to violence, legal experts said.

 

The Vatican denounced the planned Quran burning as "outrageous and grave."

 

U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting Tuesday with religious leaders to discuss recent attacks on Muslims and mosques around the U.S. called the planned burning idiotic and dangerous, according to a Justice Department official. The official requested anonymity because the meeting was private.

 

David Axelrod, senior adviser to President Barack Obama told CNN Wednesday morning: "The reverend may have the right to do what he's doing but it's not right. It's not consistent with our values ... I hope that his conscience and his good sense will take hold."

 

Staffan de Mistura, head of the United Nations Mission in Afghanistan, expressed concern and outrage "in the strongest possible terms," and added, "If such an abhorrent act were to be implemented, it would only contribute to fueling the arguments of those who are indeed against peace and reconciliation in Afghanistan."

 

Local religious leaders in this progressive Florida city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus also criticized the lanky preacher with the bushy white mustache. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city have mobilized to plan inclusive events — some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services. A student group is organizing a protest across the street from the church Saturday.

 

Gainesville's new mayor, Craig Lowe, who during his campaign became the target of a Jones-led protest because he is openly gay, has declared Sept. 11 Interfaith Solidarity Day in the city.

 

The fire department has denied Jones a required burn permit, but he said lawyers have told him he has the right to burn the Qurans, with or without the city's permission.

 

In Afghanistan, Jones' planned burning continued to provoke outrage.

 

"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

 

Kabul resident, Rajab Ali said, "If this (burning of the Quran) happens there will be chaos in Afghanistan and being a Muslim, if we don't defend the Quran then what else we can do?"

 

The Quran, according to Jones, is "evil" because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.

 

Muslims consider the Quran along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad to be sacred. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect Quran is deeply offensive.

 

Jones' Dove Outreach Center is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.

 

15 minutes of fame is so easy nowadays.

[tvashtarkatena]

Not that I'm complaining. This shit can get pretty funny from an atheist's perspective.

[prole]

Staffan de Mistura, head of the United Nations Mission in Afghanistan, expressed concern and outrage "in the strongest possible terms," and added, "If such an abhorrent act were to be implemented, it would only contribute to fueling the arguments of those who are indeed against peace and reconciliation in Afghanistan."

 

"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

 

This sure puts the horseshit argument about the reporting of civilian deaths undermining the war effort into perspective! Glad I don't have no kinfolk over thar tryin' to win them hearts and minds!!

[tvashtarkatena]

Fuck God versus Allah (aren't they supposed to be the same?)

 

Bring on God versus Batman.

 

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[ivan]

allah is great, just not great enough to put out his book when it's on fire?

 

seems unlikely these folks know how to read anyhow, they're probably just jealous n' angry

[bstach]

They HATE freedom. Thats the real issue here.

[prole]

What the fuck is with that avatar pic?

[tvashtarkatena]

I burned a Bible (OK, just Genesis) last night to get the BBQ started. Still alive. Either there's not God or I'm more powerful than It.

 

 

[kevbone]

allah is great, just not great enough to put out his book when it's on fire?

 

[Nitrox]

Don't really care, don't know why I should. Media hysteria ends when you turn off your television.

 

 

[tvashtarkatena]

Don't really care, don't know why I should. Media hysteria ends when you turn off your television.

 

 

You have a television?

 

 

[Nitrox]

Don't really care, don't know why I should. Media hysteria ends when you turn off your television.

 

 

You have a television?

 

 

I do, the kids watch PBS on it (no cable or satellite). I haven't watched TV in a while. All of my Glen Beck updates come from you and j_b.

 

 

 

 

[ivan]

burned a bible outside my dormroom my first year of college - an RA walked up, aghast - "what are you doing?" "burning a bible" - the 30 second pause as he tried to process that was perfect - his only response, completly serious - "but...you'll set the concrete on fire!"

 

"uh....it's been raining all day"

 

a few years later i enjoyed a beautiful spring day of drinking good beer, listenign to led zeppelin at ear-splitting volumes through the apartment walls, building paper airplanes out of the book of mormon n' setting them on fire as we threw them off the 4 floor of the building - rarely did they reach the ground still ablaze, just wasted bits of fluttering of carbon

 

neither j.c. nor moroni have seen fit to wreck their destruction down on me or my ilk yet - allah i'm not sure i'd want to fukwit though, ya know?

[Off_White]

History has never smiled on book burners, no matter what the book was.

[G-spotter]

That's right, when the trees die from global warming books, particularly Gideon boobles, will be our only source of toilet paper

[ivan]

That's right, when the trees die from global warming books, particularly Gideon boobles, will be our only source of toilet paper

no shit - somethign about that total low-rent tissue-thin paper of free religious tracts is perfect for scooping out the ole'corn-hole!

[Off_White]

That's right, when the trees die from global warming books, particularly Gideon boobles, will be our only source of toilet paper

 

yep, a much better use of the resource.

[ivan]

History has never smiled on book burners, no matter what the book was.

in my own defense, i had at least READ the books i burned - gotta imagine most of these folks in florida who want to torch their korans (which waht, they're buying off ebay at apostate prices? ) don't know a goddamn bit 'bout isnads n' hadith n' whatnot

[chirp]

[prole]

$20 says this pussy is going to back down before the big event. Just another left postmodern relativist, I guess.

[rob]

He DID back down.

 

It pisses me off that these haulocaust-denying islamic douchebags happily burn american flags and behead christians while dancing around like retards -- and THEN expect others to respect their bullshit book. Sure, they're all about religious tolerance NOW, aren't they?

 

I'm going to keep a copy of the Quran next to the Bible -- in the bathroom, for wiping my ass.

[Nitrox]

Its a publicity work, just like the Mosque at "ground zero".

 

 

[ivan]

fuck both of them wimp-gods! i wanna see them take on ganesh!

Edited September 9, 2010 by ivan

[prole]

Jones, who heads the Dove World Outreach Centre church based in the university town of Gainesville, claimed an agreement had been reached with Muslim leaders to move the controversial location of a planned Islamic cultural centre and mosque in New York.

 

Whew, it's like the Cuban Missile Crisis all over again. Thank Yahweh, these madmen have pulled the world back from the brink of annihilation! Long live the new religious Cold War!