j_b Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I propose that you two go climbing, together. Hell no! I learned a long time ago that choice of climbing partners is critical for a successful trip. Life's too short to spend any of it with nincompoops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I was reserving my next nemesis outing with you SS hey, we've found common ground on a few topics here...graverobbing, for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 can't you ever discuss anything without shifting the goal posts in the middle of an argument? whether you spend your time here posting TR is irrelevant to how much time you spend on line versus working as you pretended was the issue. can't you ever discuss anything without trying to smear your opponent or somehow label him as unAmerican? you are a goon through and through, dude. I should have stuck with the standard neanderthal crossing picture for it is all that your interventions warrant. The point of the site is climbing. I don't understand anyone who is pure spray in general, but all the more so when their posts are mono-dimensional. There are plenty of internet sites to discuss US politics. no answer to any of my comments. more non-sequitur. The point of this board is community. It takes all types to make a community you freaking nazi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil K Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 While we're at it, how about some other therapeutic partnerships: -Prole/Fairweather -Choada Boy/Raindawg who else? How about Kevbone and..... anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaskadskyjKozak Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 While we're at it, how about some other therapeutic partnerships: -Prole/Fairweather -Choada Boy/Raindawg who else? How about Kevbone and..... anyone. Bug/Minx Kimmo/TTK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I propose that you two go climbing, together. Hell no! I learned a long time ago that choice of climbing partners is critical for a successful trip. Life's too short to spend any of it with nincompoops. you see, we're off to a bad start. Try again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share Posted January 28, 2010 What?!?!? No one wants to climb with me! It's ok I usually free solo anyway..but still..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 What?!?!? No one wants to climb with me! It's ok I usually free solo anyway..but still..... maybe we can arrange a j_b/PP/KKK/Tvash foursome. 4, to keep it fair and balanced... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I tend to find most people not engaged on a personal level, and it is not only magnified when dealing with stress but it can have disastrous consequences, which is the main reason I stopped choosing partners only with climbing in mind. Too many expeditions with strangers, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 While we're at it, how about some other therapeutic partnerships: -Prole/Fairweather -Choada Boy/Raindawg who else? How about Kevbone and..... anyone. Bug/Minx Kimmo/TTK Pair the vertical columns and you've got a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I tend to find most people not engaged on a personal level, and it is not only magnified when dealing with stress but it can have disastrous consequences, which is the main reason I stopped choosing partners only with climbing in mind. Too many expeditions with strangers, I guess. how about starting with a nice hike up Mt. Si then? If KK pisses you off you can snag an ice axe from a passing Mountie for a weapon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 That the middle class is rapidly eroding is statistical fact. The typical counter argument from the Right is 'you're a kook', but I've never heard or read anything, not one thing, from that confederation of dunces to actually refute what is obvious, both anecdotally and numerically. Hint for the simple or lazy minded: start by comparing cost of living to wages. Now, on the other side of the coin, to even remotely compare today's situation, which really isn't that bad, to the 30's, which was an abject nightmare (as recounted by my parents, for example), is patently ridiculous. It's an issue of perspective. We now have two generations who have enjoyed suckling on mommy's warm and loving tit, basically exposed to little or no hardship. When hardship comes around, as it has, it's little surprise that a great big cry of WTF? should rise towards the heavens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 some of us have been around for a long while and have already climbed together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 That the middle class is rapidly eroding is statistical fact. The typical counter argument from the Right is 'you're a kook', but I've never heard or read anything, not one thing, from that confederation of dunces to actually refute what is obvious, both anecdotally and numerically. Hint for the simple or lazy minded: start by comparing cost of living to wages. Now, on the other side of the coin, to even remotely compare today's situation, which really isn't that bad, to the 30's, which was an abject nightmare (as recounted by my parents, for example), is patently ridiculous. It's an issue of perspective. We now have two generations who have enjoyed suckling on mommy's warm and loving tit, basically exposed to little or no hardship. When hardship comes around, as it has, it's little surprise that a great big cry of WTF? should rise towards the heavens. dude, you should try to get out of your bubble. There are ten's of thousands without homes in many major cities. Unemployment among minorities is upward of 50% according to age group. etc .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) KKK's right, your reading comprehension sucks. Edited January 28, 2010 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) you've got to be kidding: "today's situation [..] really isn't that bad." nearly 20% real unemployment on average (that 1 in 5 and not 1 in 10 as claimed by Obama last night). 10's of millions making it from paycheck to paycheck and the constant threat of losing their sole income. Millions of retirements gone up in smoke. Millions have lost their homes and nearly everything else, including access to health care (40,000 death a year for lack of access). Millions of older workers and professionals have lost their careers forever. No real perspective of "recovery" in sight besides low paying jobs and debt servitude. Edited January 28, 2010 by j_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvashtarkatena Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 (edited) It only seems bad from a historical perspective because you've been coddled all you life, and are apparently not closely enough connected to the last generation that wasn't to realize that. The Civil War, Depression, and WWII were bad times for America. This is what I would call a 'trying' time. Still, the opinion that we'll 'get through this and back to normal' is also bullshit. We're not ever going to 'get through this'. This is a sea change; we're running out of resources, and that will continue to make a permanent and profound difference in our way of life...and a substantial, permanent decrease in our wealth. We've peaked...no doubt about it. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Let's face it; we're arrogant, ignorant, and careless fuckwads. We've been begging for a kick in the balls for a long time now. Perhaps enough of us will learn something from it to collectively mitigate the damage. Edited January 28, 2010 by tvashtarkatena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prole Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 *cough* Ballard *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 no wonder the Democrats aren't coming through if they think the situation isn't that bad because it was tougher during the civil war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 do you think nearly this many fat-fucks were rolling around in the 30s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 read "the worst hard time" - holy shit! nothing today even remotely compares to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 thanks to junk food one can be dirt poor and fat (what's the fatsoes distribution with income? aren't they strongly inversely correlated). there is "progress" for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 poor n' fat is still better than poor n' hungry do read "the worst hard time" though - crazy shit - it's about the dustbowl - months on end without seeing the sun, homes literally buried by blowing sand, nearly every infant dying of "dust pnuemonia", people no longer able to shake hands b/c of all the static electricity in the air, not a blade of grass to be seen for years, livestock reduced to eating fence-posts they could excavate from under-sand the fact that poor people can be fat and hopelessly disconnected from everythign via tv and a host of wireless devices that bring them comfort, if not enligthenment, is clearly part of the problem but there's no way its worse today than in the depression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 well, I didn't say the absolute worse today is worse than during the great depression (although the life expectancy of inner city black youth gives me pause) and I don't think it should be the gauge of what is bad enough to consider that the situation is very bad. The dust bowl was also a combination of depression economics and natural disaster (mostly avoidable if land speculators had been reigned in). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 read "the worst hard time" - holy shit! nothing today even remotely compares to that. Great book! I suspect it would take only 5 or six hours out on the trail with j_b for one to begin contemplating suicide in the most horrific manner available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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