JosephH Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 It had everything to do with the world's reaction to eight years of Bush and their disappointment with the pace of "change" under Obama. Given that lack of rapid "change", you should be happy with the way things are. Had he stopped being a Chicago politician and actually stood up the right would really have something to be upset about; as it is now, the right's current infatuation with themselves, their hallucinations, and their indignation is about as sad a spectacle as I've ever seen. The difference with the left's hand wringing during the Bush administration was that no one had to invent a bunch of bad fantasies to accuse them of - their reality was better than most conspiracy theories. The lot of them, like most of the Reagan administration, will be remembered almost to a man as the felons and traitors they are. Quote
j_b Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) he's doing just great that's rich coming from those who destroyed the real economy, then fought tooth and nail (and largely succeeded thanks to conservative Democrats) to prevent the economic stimulus from being a meaningful one. Edited October 2, 2009 by j_b Quote
Jim Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Yea, I don't understand why the adults can't fix things in 8 months when it took them 8 years of sophomoric (soph-moronic?)fiscal policy to screw up things so badly! Jeesh. Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 Yea, I don't understand why the adults can't fix things in 8 months when it took them 8 years of sophomoric (soph-moronic?)fiscal policy to screw up things so badly! Jeesh. but this is the opposite of what he promised ... you know... the stimulus package thingy Quote
KaskadskyjKozak Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 he's doing just great maybe he could at least succeed at something? never mind Quote
prole Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 The smartest thing the GOP ever did was lose the 2008 election. Quote
ivan Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 nothing like squabbling over who gets to take the helm for the titantic's maiden voyage Quote
JayB Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Might be a good time to Google "Regime Uncertainty" and "Private Investment." Quote
Jim Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 nothing like squabbling over who gets to take the helm for the titantic's maiden voyage .....about 10 minutes after the "incident". Quote
prole Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 Might be a good time to Google "Regime Uncertainty" and "Private Investment." Yeah, what we need is a little "hair o' the dog", eh? Quote
JayB Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 Send the wrong signals about the future and you can significantly depress hiring, equipment purchases, investment, etc in the present and thereby significantly worsen whatever contraction that's resulted from factors in the past. Quote
olyclimber Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 its a wierd game, thats for sure. i'm ok your ok i'm ok your ok....and you have to really believe it too! Quote
prole Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 Send the wrong signals about the future and you can significantly depress hiring, equipment purchases, investment, etc in the present and thereby significantly worsen whatever contraction that's resulted from factors in the past. The wrong signals being that we're not going to continue to let out of control deregulation, tax cuts for the rich, rampant militarism, etc. run the country off the cliff and that instead we're going to start seeing what we can do to provide some health care for folks, work together with allies, and use some of the wealth that people are generating to improve the country instead of sending frat-boy pricks off on a coke binge? Those signals? Thanks for trying to forge a "new" message here, Jay, but no thanks. On the bigger picture front, thanks too for confirming that our Republic is effectively held hostage by, and that your grand vision for politics consists entirely of political representatives being sock puppets for Capital. Quote
JayB Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 Send the wrong signals about the future and you can significantly depress hiring, equipment purchases, investment, etc in the present and thereby significantly worsen whatever contraction that's resulted from factors in the past. The wrong signals being that we're not going to continue to let out of control deregulation, tax cuts for the rich, rampant militarism, etc. run the country off the cliff and that instead we're going to start seeing what we can do to provide some health care for folks, work together with allies, and use some of the wealth that people are generating to improve the country instead of sending frat-boy pricks off on a coke binge? Those signals? Thanks for trying to forge a "new" message here, Jay, but no thanks. On the bigger picture front, thanks too for confirming that our Republic is effectively held hostage by, and that your grand vision for politics consists entirely of political representatives being sock puppets for Capital. Well, it's up to everyone who has money to spend or invest to decide for themselves what to make of the legislation that's working it's way through Congress, so there may indeed be some business owners out there there that feel that way. I suspect that the net effect of the various legislative proposals working their way through congress is increasing "regime (rule) uncertainty" and decreasing private investment, but others may feel differently. If you alternately consider what would happen to net business investment, employment, and wage-growth in the US in response to and announcements that effective tomorrow: A)The tax on corporate profits earned in the US would be permanently reduced to zero, with no exceptions. B)The tax on corporate profits would be permanently increased to 100%, with no exceptions. I think that most people will concede that expectations about the future play an important role in shaping investment decisions in the present. Quote
prole Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 There's an enormous amount of economic analysis out there right now that is quite clear as to why this recession is persisting. The difference with yours is that it is essentially political in nature, it has a clear scapegoat and a clear white knight. That the white knight is the same shit that got us into the problem in the first place shows a continuing lack of ideas about how to solve our problems and a blind adherence to dogma from conservatives. Neither of which lead me to believe that we won't be hearing more of this junk science "analysis" from the banks, developers, corporate managers in the near future. You've found a message Jay, stay on it! Quote
JayB Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 "There's an enormous amount of economic analysis out there right now that is quite clear as to why this recession is persisting. The difference with yours is that it is essentially political in nature, it has a clear scapegoat and a clear white knight." Who or what distinct, concrete entity is the scapegoat, and the knight, in my analysis? Quote
ivan Posted October 3, 2009 Posted October 3, 2009 "There's an enormous amount of economic analysis out there right now that is quite clear as to why this recession is persisting. The difference with yours is that it is essentially political in nature, it has a clear scapegoat and a clear white knight." Who or what distinct, concrete entity is the scapegoat, and the knight, in my analysis? don't bother dude, he's off for his beauty-rest 2night - he'll be back battling evil on the monring shift though i'll warrant Quote
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