tomtom Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 ...I am confused... Any argument here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimper Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 joe's one bolt route is "just" 10+, kev, so get after it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Kev, you are certainly free to keep using the word inappropriately. Don’t you mean different than you? It is very subjective……. It also, implies you are responsible for the route's existence Uh….if it wasn’t for the “human” you would not be climbing this particular rock in question would you? Cleaning is a huge part of setting up a route. Yes, I did place my first protection bolt last year and the day you lead it I'll be the first to call it a sport climb. Until then it's still a technical and spicy trad lead. I was told (I know its hearsay) that you top roped tunnel vision (a bolted roof). That my friend is sport climbing. Joseph the sport climber……say it an’t so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Ofcourse nature trundles and cleans moss and dirt, this is called weathering. It also should be the deciding factor in where bolts go and if they're even needed. Nature often decides the names as well, think Royal Arches, the Nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 nature is a deaf-mute whore and doesn't name or know a damn thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Ofcourse nature trundles and cleans moss and dirt, this is called weathering. It also should be the deciding factor in where bolts go and if they're even needed. Nature often decides the names as well, think Royal Arches, the Nose. Very good points Geoff. If we all waited until nature cleaned, and trundled out at beacon.....none of us would ever climb the routes the route setters established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 No route setting of any kind has ever occured at Beacon - a bit of bolting - but sorry, no route setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 No route setting of any kind has ever occured at Beacon - a bit of bolting - but sorry, no route setting. certainly not on a large # of the doorknob-humping-retard-enterprises i've gotten involved in out there lately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_chalk Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 No, the draw, Kevin. I think they were already there before I attempted the climb? Wasn't this route 5.12? Yes the draws are and have been hanging on The Crumbling since the FA. The grade in the guide book is 5.12a. Thanks for clarifying. You have such a great memory. Couldnt recall if I had placed that draw or how far I got on subject route or how big a fall >insert photo< it was. PS - dont forget you owe some baby pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_chalk Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Ouch...I'll remember to never tease anyone with pink anywhere in or around the name. And I'll start a remedial reading program as well. And pay attention. Promise:-) its all good Bill just giving you a hard time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I know, I needed to post my reply up there with a wink. Actually, it got me to thinking of how kick assed Jason is as a photog. That pic of you on the shield wall out there that was used for the poster was nothing short of breathtaking. I think the river is even blue! I saw that and was all like "Where the hell is that" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 This picture was taken from Chaos looking east to masterpiece theater. Not the shield wall. FYI. Yes....and what a great shot. I like the rope she is pulling up. If her left hand came off.....she would cartwheel in a bad way..... Photo by Jason Kohler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 No route setting of any kind has ever occured at Beacon - a bit of bolting - but sorry, no route setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 This picture was taken from Chaos looking east to masterpiece theater. Not the shield wall. FYI. Yes....and what a great shot. I like the rope she is pulling up. If her left hand came off.....she would cartwheel in a bad way..... Photo by Jason Kohler someone named a route "chaos" out at ozone? how chaotic could a 100ft cliff get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 someone named a route "chaos" out at ozone? how chaotic could a 100ft cliff get? dunno - i can recall sitting in a parked car before and feeling like we were going waaaaaay too fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 how did this turn into spray so quick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephH Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 how did this turn into spray so quick? Tortured language use. You'd think a talented note setter and lefty like Kev would know a big part of the problem with the Bush administration was its sloppy use of language. Then again, I suppose someone has to be the route decider or we'd never get off the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 how did this turn into spray so quick? by you posting that "you get nothing clip". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlag Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 How bout this Kev, just so we get this settled. You and i meet somewhere, we toe off. Gloves if you want but i prefer bare fists. If i don't get up, then i'll leave it alone and you can spray all you want. If you don't get up you stay off this site forever. Sounds like a joke but those who know me here know i'm serious. Just you and me. save me from your bullshit, it's a yes or no question. JL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) OMG are you challenging him to a fistfight? What are you, 11? Edited February 24, 2009 by rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivan Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 josh, i know you and i'm kinda suprised - have you forgotten the cardinal rule of arguing w/ fools (and drunks?) dude, edit that shit out before they go and ban-inate you, which would be like, lettign them win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 (edited) How bout this Kev, just so we get this settled. You and i meet somewhere, we toe off. Gloves if you want but i prefer bare fists. If i don't get up, then i'll leave it alone and you can spray all you want. If you don't get up you stay off this site forever. Sounds like a joke but those who know me here know i'm serious. Just you and me. save me from your bullshit, it's a yes or no question. JL There's no reason for Kevin to fight anyone. (or to ban Jlaq either Ivan as he's just offering) What would that prove anyway. I was reflecting the other day when I was getting riled by another poster that in many ways, Kevin is a better person than I - as he never gets angry and want to fight or even upset when he's flamed. He just smiles and goes on. He's a lover not a fighter, and if you were ever fortunate to get out with him, you'd probably be amazed how encyclopedic his memory of each hold and piece is. I am anyway. Peace to all of you Bill ps this argument and flamefest is about to move on as I just posted the definitive best rubber, per scientific testing on another thread. I suspect that will turn into fisticuffs within 10 pages of flames. Edited February 24, 2009 by billcoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 How bout this Kev, just so we get this settled. You and i meet somewhere, we toe off. Gloves if you want but i prefer bare fists. If i don't get up, then i'll leave it alone and you can spray all you want. If you don't get up you stay off this site forever. Sounds like a joke but those who know me here know i'm serious. Just you and me. save me from your bullshit, it's a yes or no question. JL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlag Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 fighting? are you crazy? That shit hurts my hands, which i need to climb rocks. rock-paper-scissors yo!!! JL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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