marylou Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Off the current subject here but did you guys notice how many times McCain blinked? Palin told us again and again that we must not blink!! I found the blinking more than a little distracting. Maybe he was doing it so we would not pay attention to the drivel falling out of his mouth. Joe the Plumber turned into an impromptu drinking game where I was watching the debate. Quote
prole Posted October 16, 2008 Author Posted October 16, 2008 McCain sounded like the shrill, hotheaded psycho that he is. Porter's .gif says it all. Obama beat him like a drum. His response on Ayers and ACORN (supposedly McCain's silver bullet) was simply masterful. Despite my halfhearted sick fantasy of a McCain victory to bring on America's complete collapse, I'll be glad not to have to look at that twisted dwarf or listen to his what are sure to be apocalypse-inducing policy prescriptions anymore. Quote
rob Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Won't somebody PLEASE think of Joe the Plumber??? Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 McCain looks like a Steadman characature of himself. And that's on a good day. Quote
TheOtter Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Here is the moment in context if you are curious (as I was) WTF is going on in the pic. You otter keep your eyes open at 4:24. [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0c6aIlXIfs Quote
TheOtter Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Won't somebody PLEASE think of Joe the Plumber??? Apparently Obama is. You otter CLICK HERE Update Oct. 16: ABC News reported the morning after the debate that Wurzelbacher [aka "Joe the Plumber"] admitted to a reporter that he won't actually make enough from his new plumbing business to pay Obama's higher tax rates. ABC said his admission "would seem to indicate that he would be eligible for an Obama tax cut." Quote
kevbone Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 One that's based on a grasp of the intricacies surrounding the major issues of America's future, rather than some gut reactions to things you see on TV. I am glad we agree on that. I base my decision on the information I get. Just like you friend. I watch about a hour or two of TV a month.... I did watch all three debates. Just to see which asshole flinches under pressure. Quote
kevbone Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 His response on Ayers and ACORN (supposedly McCain's silver bullet) was simply masterful. I could not agree more. He pretty much made McCains campain useless. Quote
Jim Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 I have to give Mcain credit for not laughing when he was explaining Sarah's qualifications to be president if he were to have the big one while in office. You can't make that stuff up! Quote
prole Posted October 16, 2008 Author Posted October 16, 2008 Palin as president? Click around the Oval Office. Quote
Cobra_Commander Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 P.S. reading a kevbone post is as fun as a dickpunch Quote
olyclimber Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 that gif was in circulation before the debate even ended last night Quote
wdietsch Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 He smoked McCain in all three debates. Hardly ... they both sucked. A couple of months ago KZOK had a comedian on the Bob and Tom show who compared this election to having to cut off your leg ... the only choice you have is whether to cut it off above or below the knee. They are both poster children of a defunct, good ol' boy, two party political system in dire need of a real strong third party challenge. We've got the world we've got. Get used to it, get off your whiny fucking ass, and do something about it within the confines of the reality you were dealt. good thing Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela didn't just "get used to it" or work "within the confines of the reality" they were dealt see you at the poles Quote
ofelas Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 good thing Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela didn't just "get used to it" or work "within the confines of the reality" they were dealt. see you at the poles Dang, Homer, anyone who doesn't agree with Obama's policies MUST be a racist...you get brownie points for smarts! Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) He smoked McCain in all three debates. Hardly ... they both sucked. A couple of months ago KZOK had a comedian on the Bob and Tom show who compared this election to having to cut off your leg ... the only choice you have is whether to cut it off above or below the knee. They are both poster children of a defunct, good ol' boy, two party political system in dire need of a real strong third party challenge. We've got the world we've got. Get used to it, get off your whiny fucking ass, and do something about it within the confines of the reality you were dealt. good thing Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela didn't just "get used to it" or work "within the confines of the reality" they were dealt see you at the poles Actually, that's exactly what MLK did. Instead of sitting on his ass complaining and wishing for something that would never be, he got up off of his ass and got to work. Everything MLK did, all the organizing, protesting, speaking; was constitutional and designed to move public opinion and the political establishment towards his point of view. It was designed to move the system we had in the direction he wanted. It worked, partially, anyway. The Mandela comparison is, of course, ridiculous on its face; South Africa was a completely different country than our own; it wasn't even a democracy, per se. Still, Pic Botha eventually sat down with Mandela. He (not Mandela) then decided it was time to start dismantling apartheid and accept the inevitable future for his country. The health of our democracy has nothing to do with 'our system', or the lack of a magical third party. There are third parties, in fact; it's just that the public doesn't give a shit about them. Know why not? Because they fucking suck. No, it's not about third parties. It's about us. It's our core values and how we practice them that determines whether or not we have a just, fair, and democratic society, not whether or not Ralph Nader or Ron Paul or whoever the pipe dream de jour is will come swooping down from Heaven to magically transform our planet to a loving, caring Ecotopia. The dullards who sit around in cafe's wishing for such a revolution are essentially volunteering to do nothing of substance to actually fix what ails us. They are one of humanity's least valuable and most abundant commodities. Oh, BTW, it's 'polls'. 'Poles' are what nekkit wymyn dance around. Edited October 17, 2008 by tvashtarkatena Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 Oh, and while I'm giving you a much needed ass raping with a splintery telephone pole (poll?), it's obvious that you subscribe to the 'hero activist' theory of history. MLK just swooped in, cuz he was so fucking cool, and FORCED the gubmint to change its ways. MLK was one part of a huge, many decades long movement, which finally achieved success because, not in spite of, political realities. By the time the Civil Rights Act was passed, most of the country was already for it because of the efforts of many thousands of activists over many years acting, at times, in concert. The end game was to change the system we had, not invent or wish for a new one we would never have. Quote
tvashtarkatena Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 good thing Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela didn't just "get used to it" or work "within the confines of the reality" they were dealt. see you at the poles Dang, Homer, anyone who doesn't agree with Obama's policies MUST be a racist...you get brownie points for smarts! You're as dumb as a fucking post. Or as one of your posts. Same same. Quote
prole Posted October 17, 2008 Author Posted October 17, 2008 (edited) Actually, that's exactly what MLK did. Instead of sitting on his ass complaining and wishing for something that would never be, he got up off of his ass and got to work. Everything MLK did, all the organizing, protesting, speaking; was constitutional and designed to move public opinion and the political establishment towards his point of view. It was designed to move the system we had in the direction he wanted. It worked, partially, anyway. The Mandela comparison is, of course, ridiculous on its face; South Africa was a completely different country than our own; it wasn't even a democracy, per se. Still, Pic Botha eventually sat down with Mandela. He (not Mandela) then decided it was time to start dismantling apartheid and accept the inevitable future for his country. The health of our democracy has nothing to do with 'our system', or the lack of a magical third party. There are third parties, in fact; it's just that the public doesn't give a shit about them. Know why not? Because they fucking suck. No, it's not about third parties. It's about us. It's our core values and how we practice them that determines whether or not we have a just, fair, and democratic society, not whether or not Ralph Nader or Ron Paul or whoever the pipe dream de jour is will come swooping down from Heaven to magically transform our planet to a loving, caring Ecotopia. The dullards who sit around in cafe's wishing for such a revolution are essentially volunteering to do nothing of substance to actually fix what ails us. They are one of humanity's least valuable and most abundant commodities. Oh, BTW, it's 'polls'. 'Poles' are what nekkit wymyn dance around. Your point about the "great men of history" and dealing the hand we're dealt is well taken. However, as anyone living under a modern political structure in any advanced industrialized country (with any brains) would tell you, the political structure we've been saddled with for so long is hopelessly archaic. You've said as much yourself with regards to large expanses of physical territory. Add to this the stranglehold that the two-party system has over the process and we're looking at a situation where the very American structures of governance need to be changed: third fourth and fifth parties in a thoroughly more representative system. Of course, this means absolutely nothing for the next election or the one after that, but given the potential upheavals we're dealing with it wouldn't hurt to start thinking about "real, fundamental change" in the medium to long term. This nonsense has gone on too long. Utopian? Nope, purely pragmatic. Edited October 17, 2008 by prole Quote
olyclimber Posted October 17, 2008 Posted October 17, 2008 [video:youtube]Goaj5V4tZoc they should do this instead of the debates Quote
prole Posted October 17, 2008 Author Posted October 17, 2008 Obama: "My greatest weakness? I might be a little too awesome." Quote
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