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[marylou]

No, the question about Fox was a legitimate one.

 

Sirwoof's analyses pretty much say everything I need to know about him for now.

 

KK, well, I think I'll pass on that train wreck today.

[No. 13 Baby]

Uh, do you by chance watch a lot of Fox News?

Nope. I sure do not watch fox news. Why?

that's the typical snide remark from a simpleton liberal who has nothing of substance to say

 

Hmmmm . . . I guess we know who does watch a lot of Fox News.

[sirwoofalot]

No, the question about Fox was a legitimate one.

 

Sirwoof's analyses pretty much say everything I need to know about him for now.

 

KK, well, I think I'll pass on that train wreck today.

 

 

I think we need to first establish some definitions.

 

1.) Democracy is a system where the majority of the people decide.

For example we are in a room with a bunch of climbers and you walk in with a case of beer. In a democracy we can all vote to take away the beer from you.

 

2.) Socialism is a system where the minority of the people decides.

For example we are in a room with a bunch of climbers and you walk in with a case of beer. KKK decides to take all of your beer and distribute it as he sees fit.

 

Now, keeping these two definitions in mind lets look at the State of Washington ‘Democratic’ nominating process.

 

First we are going to have an election where the majority can speak out, but it does not count. Instead we are going to have a caucus and choose delegate who will represent us, and finally, if we don’t get our choice then we are going to use a “Super Delegate” to decide the Democratic nomination.

 

Which of the above definitions fits the ‘Democratic’ Parties nomination process?

 

Thus, I call the wolf what it really is, Socialist.

 

So tell me, what does fox news say?

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Sirwoof's analyses pretty much say everything I need to know about him for now.

 

right back at you

[Off_White]

So what if the Fascists pick Lieberman as a VP? You know, cross the aisle to create a fully prowar pandemic ticket masquerading as "moderate", all-fear-all-the-time. Let's elect some more old guys who helped get us where we are today! Isn't that McCain's new ad campaign, "elect me because I'm old?"

 

Really Woofy, I think it's time the Gay Old Party came out of the closet, don't you?

[sirwoofalot]

So what if the Fascists pick Lieberman as a VP? You know, cross the aisle to create a fully prowar pandemic ticket masquerading as "moderate", all-fear-all-the-time. Let's elect some more old guys who helped get us where we are today! Isn't that McCain's new ad campaign, "elect me because I'm old?"

 

Really Woofy, I think it's time the Gay Old Party came out of the closet, don't you?

 

1.) I don’t quite get your rhetoric about the Republicans being fascists. Perhaps you should investigate the meaning of fascism before using the label.

2.) I am not advocating that anyone should vote any way. I am merely pointing out the irony of how the so called ‘Democratic’ party uses Socialist means to choose their candidate.

 

Cool your jets Benny!

 

[rob]

Socialism is a system where the minority of the people decides.

For example we are in a room with a bunch of climbers and you walk in with a case of beer. KKK decides to take all of your beer and distribute it as he sees fit.

 

Now, keeping these two definitions in mind lets look at the State of Washington ‘Democratic’ nominating process.

 

First we are going to have an election where the majority can speak out, but it does not count. Instead we are going to have a caucus and choose delegate who will represent us, and finally, if we don’t get our choice then we are going to use a “Super Delegate” to decide the Democratic nomination.

 

Which of the above definitions fits the ‘Democratic’ Parties nomination process?

 

Thus, I call the wolf what it really is, Socialist.

 

So tell me, what does fox news say?

 

Life must be easy in the simple bubble you live in.

[StevenSeagal]

Anyone see this:

 

Megalomania , Etc

 

I especially like this:

 

“If I were to endorse McCain based on the current circumstances, I’d be looked at as a party hack.”

 

Indeed, after sucking Bush's cock for 7 years, Rush wouldn't want to be viewed as some toadie.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

So what if the Fascists pick Lieberman as a VP? You know, cross the aisle to create a fully prowar pandemic ticket masquerading as "moderate", all-fear-all-the-time. Let's elect some more old guys who helped get us where we are today! Isn't that McCain's new ad campaign, "elect me because I'm old?"

 

Really Woofy, I think it's time the Gay Old Party came out of the closet, don't you?

 

1.) I don’t quite get your rhetoric about the Republicans being fascists. Perhaps you should investigate the meaning of fascism before using the label.

2.) I am not advocating that anyone should vote any way. I am merely pointing out the irony of how the so called ‘Democratic’ party uses Socialist means to choose their candidate.

 

Cool your jets Benny!

 

I think OW is making the point that if you are calling D's socialists, then he can call R's fascists.

 

BTW, your definition:

 

"Socialism is a system where the minority of the people decides."

 

where the hell did you get that from? I think of socialism more in these terms:

 

"Socialism refers to a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community."

 

In which case, yes, the D's arguably lean socialist, but it's a matter of degree.

[marylou]

A quick grab from Wikipedia, pretty well stated:

 

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: patriotism, nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, autocracy and opposition to political and economic liberalism.

 

Careful what you ask for sirwoof!

[sirwoofalot]

A quick grab from Wikipedia, pretty well stated:

 

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: patriotism, nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, autocracy and opposition to political and economic liberalism.

 

Careful what you ask for sirwoof!

 

I think your definition drops an important point about fascism, coercion, and should be read as follows:

 

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole. Fascists seek to forcibly forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes, and to the detriment of any opposing views.

 

My point is fascists force their point of view onto others.

 

I really think your first definition can be used on either of the two major parties in the USA, but once you add coercion into the definition, and I think it is an element of fascism, then it does not fit to either or the American political parties.

 

[Off_White]

I think OW is making the point that if you are calling D's socialists, then he can call R's fascists.

 

Exactly, no offense intended towards my R friends out there.

 

Demonizing with sensational labels is such a tardweb/talk radio cliche. Socialist here, Fascist there, then next thing you know someone's going to trot out the N word.

[kevbone]

Hey KaskadskyjKoza "I sure hope it's not Edwards"

 

Where does your hate for Edwards come from?

[sirwoofalot]

I think OW is making the point that if you are calling D's socialists, then he can call R's fascists.

 

Exactly, no offense intended towards my R friends out there.

 

Demonizing with sensational labels is such a tardweb/talk radio cliche. Socialist here, Fascist there, then next thing you know someone's going to trot out the N word.

 

Fare enough. I agree and concede the point. sorry. I did not realize i was demonizing. Sincerely, sorry.

[marylou]

then next thing you know someone's going to trot out the N word.

 

Nitrogen?

[KaskadskyjKozak]

then next thing you know someone's going to trot out the N word.

 

Nitrogen?

 

Ninny.

 

[builder206]

Nonentity.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Nonentity.

 

I like your new sig. Terse and apropos.

[Lionel_Hutz]

I'm assuming Obama is going to pick Richardson or maybe Edwards, and McCain will pick Romney or Huckabee.

 

I'd prefer Edwards as the AG, so hopefully it will be Richardson for the Ds.

 

 

This is my guess as well. I think Edwards has a lot riding on any endorsement he may make.

[JayB]

I'm assuming Obama is going to pick Richardson or maybe Edwards, and McCain will pick Romney or Huckabee.

 

I'd prefer Edwards as the AG, so hopefully it will be Richardson for the Ds.

 

 

This is my guess as well. I think Edwards has a lot riding on any endorsement he may make.

 

"In 1985, a 31-year-old North Carolina lawyer named John Edwards stood before a jury and channeled the words of an unborn baby girl.

 

Referring to an hour-by-hour record of a fetal heartbeat monitor, Mr. Edwards told the jury: "She said at 3, `I'm fine.' She said at 4, `I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing O.K.' Five, she said, `I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, `I need out.' "

 

But the obstetrician, he argued in an artful blend of science and passion, failed to heed the call. By waiting 90 more minutes to perform a breech delivery, rather than immediately performing a Caesarean section, Mr. Edwards said, the doctor permanently damaged the girl's brain.

 

 

 

"She speaks to you through me," the lawyer went on in his closing argument. "And I have to tell you right now — I didn't plan to talk about this — right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

 

The jury came back with a $6.5 million verdict in the cerebral palsy case, and Mr. Edwards established his reputation as the state's most feared plaintiff's lawyer.

 

In the decade that followed, Mr. Edwards filed at least 20 similar lawsuits against doctors and hospitals in deliveries gone wrong, winning verdicts and settlements of more than $60 million, typically keeping about a third. As a politician he has spoken of these lawsuits with pride.

 

"I was more than just their lawyer," Mr. Edwards said of his clients in a recent essay in Newsweek. "I cared about them. Their cause was my cause."

 

The effect of his work has reached beyond those cases, and beyond his own income. Other lawyers have filed countless similar cases; just this week, a jury on Long Island returned a $112 million award. And doctors have responded by changing the way they deliver babies, often seeing a relatively minor anomaly on a fetal heart monitor as justification for an immediate Caesarean.

 

On the other side, insurance companies, business groups that support what they call tort reform and conservative commentators have accused Mr. Edwards of relying on questionable science in his trial work. Indeed, there is a growing medical debate over whether the changes have done more harm than good. Studies have found that the electronic fetal monitors now widely used during delivery often incorrectly signal distress, prompting many needless Caesarean deliveries, which carry the risks of major surgery.

 

The rise in such deliveries, to about 26 percent today from 6 percent in 1970, has failed to decrease the rate of cerebral palsy, scientists say. Studies indicate that in most cases, the disorder is caused by fetal brain injury long before labor begins.

 

An examination of Mr. Edwards's legal career also opens a window onto the world of personal injury litigation. In building his career, Mr. Edwards underbid other lawyers to win promising clients, sifted through several dozen expert witnesses to find one who would attest to his claims, and opposed state legislation that would have helped all families with brain-damaged children and not just those few who win big malpractice awards."

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/31/politics/campaign/31EDWA.html?ex=1203224400&en=ec51e69ecd2f506f&ei=5070

 

 

[Gary_Yngve]

i just like making fun of his $400 haircuts

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

I thought they were $600?

 

 

[olyclimber]

YOU GET MORE IF YOU GOT BABIES SO MAKE BABIES AND NEXT UNCLE GEORGE COMES AROUND YOU'LL GET MORE

[olyclimber]

ITS LIKE 300 A BABY