I've got gas

[archenemy]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004171188_ethanol08.html

[ZimZam]

George Will, who I'm not really into, writes a good article on this in the current Newsweek. Not only does this exacerbate global warming, it also raises the cost of food for those in third world economies.

[JayB]

The environmental equivalent of homeopathy. I expect the scientific analysis of the claims put forth by the crop-to-biofuel enthusiasts as double-blind studies of homeopathic remedies have had on the practitioners of that trade and/or the folks the frequent them.

 

The fact that the Ag-subsidies have created a vast constituency who will feel a considerable amount of pain if the government policies that created the ethanol-monster are modified in response to the scientific evidence that they do more harm than good.

[G-spotter]

If you read the original paper - it's not the fuel itself that's the problem, it is entirely the land clearing.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

try beano

[fenderfour]

I live in a continuous state of "I've got gas"

[JayB]

If you read the original paper - it's not the fuel itself that's the problem, it is entirely the land clearing.

 

"It's not HIV infection that's the problem, it's entirely the immunodeficiency."

 

Cross your fingers for a mode of biofuel production that doesn't require any land. Super-algae, your time has come.

 

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

what is it about climbing that increases gas production and emissions?

 

[sk]

I live in a continuous state of "I've got gas"

 

do more yoga... that will get it out of ya

[JayB]

Good discussion of Biofuels and C02 on NPR/Science Friday today...

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

reminds me of an episode of jackass

[G-spotter]

http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/764271#Post764271

 

Forget this?

 

In the paper it points out that using biomass harvested from existing land cover (switchgrass from existing prairie, wood chips from existing forest etc.) pays for itself in 1 crop rotation - 1 year in case of prairie grass.

[Blake]

Corn ethanol is the stupidest thing imaginable. I think that having political importance in Iowa (and this myth of the american family farmer as a cultural backbone) is the only thing keeping our tax dollars paying for such a stupid program.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/id/107575/page/1

[tvashtarkatena]

Corn ethanol is the stupidest thing imaginable. I think that having political importance in Iowa (and this myth of the american family farmer as a cultural backbone) is the only thing keeping our tax dollars paying for such a stupid program.

 

http://www.newsweek.com/id/107575/page/1

 

There are still family farms in the U.S....and corn ethanol hurts them. These smaller operations can be profitable, but they operate at a market disadvantage because scheduled subsidies, like corn, can only be had by large factory farms, which destroy the topsoil and pollute the watershed with their unsustainable farming practices. Much of this factory farmed land is owned by out of state investment firms...hey, why should they care?

 

Smaller, sustainable farms in the U.S. are currently lobbying to end federal farm subsidies. They neither need nor want them.

[G-spotter]

It's one of those chicken and egg things.

 

You need to have biofuel-burning cars and infrastructure in place to make the switch from petroleum. Certainly, making ethanol from expensive corn is a dumb idea in the long term, and also in the short term if you can buy it cheaply made from sugarcane in Brazil. But the idea of starting getting the infrastructure and vehicles in place now and switching over the raw materials as cellulosic sources come online is a good one.

[tomtom]

Cellulite in Brazil?

 

I don't see any.

 

[tvashtarkatena]

Why are those guys wearing bathing suit tops?

[G-spotter]

I bet YOUR bra says "bra"

on it too.

[tvashtarkatena]

I bet YOUR bra says "bra"

on it too.

 

If you were any more predictable you'd violate the uncertainty principle.

[rbw1966]

Cellulite in Brazil?

 

I don't see any.

 

 

[tvashtarkatena]

I here that type of thing is very big in Brazil.

[RuMR]

Why are those guys wearing bathing suit tops?

have you come out of the closet yet??

[RuMR]

man...two uber-fit hawt athletic chicks are

[tvashtarkatena]

Why are those guys wearing bathing suit tops?

have you come out of the closet yet??

 

Why? That's where my pullup bar is.

 

I like women with curves. Those Brazileros look like Brazileros. If you prefer chicks that look like guys, that's cool. To each his own.

 

Do you mash down their tits with your palms during sex?

Edited February 8, 2008 by tvashtarkatena

[RuMR]

you have enough curves for several chicks....