Bug Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Oh. Perhaps it would help to say that the first five books were "written down on paper" for the first time during David's reign. They had been developed/preserved in the oral traditions for thousands of years before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenity Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 Short list of critical incidents in Pakistan since zero day of Bhutto's assassination: Synopsis: The total death toll in the country over the last three days of rioting stands at 38, with another 53 injured. According to Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema, rioters have torched as many as 174 banks, 370 cars and 765 shops in several cities. Railway stations and police stations have been damaged, and transportation has been brought to a standstill in the most volatile areas as Bhutto supporters have ordered cars and buses off the road to protest the assassination. Karachi * Four people were killed Dec. 29 in shootings in Karachi in Pakistan’s Sindh province, and two of the deaths are confirmed, Stratfor sources in the country said. Twenty-six people were wounded in shootings, and some were looters shot by the paramilitary Pakistan Rangers. * Stores in the Zamzama shopping district near Defense were looted and damaged. * Seven large fires were reported, one at a stadium close to the U.S. Consulate, and one large tire fire in the Korangi area that can be seen from at least 4 miles away and is producing significant smoke. * The Port of Qasim has been closed since the news of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s death. * Residents are afraid to leave their homes during the three-day mourning period after Bhutto’s death. * International flights and some domestic flights are operating in Karachi, and the route to the airport is secure during the day. The U.S. Embassy has prohibited its employees from taking domestic flights over the next few days. * Several shops tried to open Dec. 29, but angry crowds forced them to close. * The situation is “uncomfortable” for residents who do not have stockpiles of food. Sindh province * The National Highway in Sindh remains closed, and mobs are attacking and burning any vehicles traveling on that road, Stratfor sources in Pakistan said. * A shutterdown strike continues, enforced by mobs armed with Kalashnikov weapons. * Pakistan’s Civil Aviation Authority said some domestic flights will resume in the near future, and Pakistan International Airlines has resumed international flights to and from Karachi. * No city in Sindh has a curfew, although curfews remain an option, police said. * The army is present in the streets in the cities of Sukkur, Larkana, Badin, and Hyderabad. In Karachi, the army is only present in two neighborhoods. Naushahero Feroz * On the National Highway, 150 vehicles were torched. Hyderabad * Gun battles took place between the Sindhi and Mohajir communities, wounding eight people. The clashes occurred despite army presence in the streets. Khairpur * Police and protesters clashed, at least 50 people were arrested, and one truck was torched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 I don't want to derail the they're-worse/no-we're-worse train of thought here, but what about the nuclear bombs? I don't care if they all a bunch of goat-fucking water fluoridators as long as someone stable has the nukes under lock and key. As for the Bush crime family knowing about the assassination in advance, what about the fact that after weeks of negotiations between the White House & Congress, it is the Iraqi government that tells Bush what's in the appropriations bill they want him to veto? Given Bush's history, anything he or his toadies "know" must be wrong. Those witless incompetents are surprised by the contents of an American military spending bill! Imagining that they grasp machinations within a foreign country is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindawg Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 The rest of what I wrote about (court apologetic etc)is pretty commonly accepted in academic circles. I'd amend that to "some academic circles." I'm in such circles and I'm not buying it. They generally beleive that there are four major historical/editorial layers in the first five books. This would be different from but not neccessarily apposed to the teachings in seminaries. One such organization was called the American Academy of Religion. Professors from Harvard, Yale, and professors from many state funded universities were members. There are others. The American Academy of Religion has been around for many decades and is alive and "well". There next conference (which is huge) will be in Chicago in November 2008. See you there? Oh. Perhaps it would help to say that the first five books were "written down on paper" for the first time during David's reign. They had been developed/preserved in the oral traditions for thousands of years before that. Some of the historical events of the Torah (Exodus, etc.) took place within just a few hundred years prior to King David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 (edited) The rest of what I wrote about (court apologetic etc)is pretty commonly accepted in academic circles. I'd amend that to "some academic circles." I'm in such circles and I'm not buying it. . You do not need to. That's OK. Not being mean here, just trying to converse. So just to be clear, do you not beleive there were several sources, Elohist, Preistly, Yahwist, etc that comprise the editors/writers of the Torah? Also that these different layers were from different historical periods? I am not clear about what you disagree with here. They generally beleive that there are four major historical/editorial layers in the first five books. This would be different from but not neccessarily apposed to the teachings in seminaries. One such organization was called the American Academy of Religion. Professors from Harvard, Yale, and professors from many state funded universities were members. There are others. The American Academy of Religion has been around for many decades and is alive and "well". There next conference (which is huge) will be in Chicago in November 2008. See you there? I have not been to one in over ten years. My focus is now on how we can apply the "lessons learned" during our transitions to literacy to our transition to computer literacy in such a way that we can avoid some of the mistakes. Oh. Perhaps it would help to say that the first five books were "written down on paper" for the first time during David's reign. They had been developed/preserved in the oral traditions for thousands of years before that. Some of the historical events of the Torah (Exodus, etc.) took place within just a few hundred years prior to King David. That would be news to me since the Egyptian archeology of the probable period goes back 5000 years. But that would still not change the point of David "freezing" these oral traditions on paper. Edited December 30, 2007 by Bug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 The American Academy of Religion has been around for many decades and is alive and "well". There next conference (which is huge) will be in Chicago in November 2008. See you there? Dont you mean "American Academy of Brain Washing"? And I wont see you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindawg Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The American Academy of Religion has been around for many decades and is alive and "well". There next conference (which is huge) will be in Chicago in November 2008. See you there? Dont you mean "American Academy of Brain Washing"? And I wont see you there. Kevbone....your ignorance seems to know no bounds..... Here is the mission statement of the American Academy of Religion..(from www.aarweb.org) "Mission Statement" In a world where religion plays so central a role in social, political, and economic events, as well as in the lives of communities and individuals, there is a critical need for ongoing reflection upon and understanding of religious traditions, issues, questions, and values. The American Academy of Religion's mission is to promote such reflection through excellence in scholarship and teaching in the field of religion. As a learned society and professional association of teachers and research scholars, the American Academy of Religion has over 10,000 members who teach in some 1,500 colleges, universities, seminaries, and schools in North America and abroad. The Academy is dedicated to furthering knowledge of religion and religious institutions in all their forms and manifestations. This is accomplished through Academy-wide and regional conferences and meetings, publications, programs, and membership services. Within a context of free inquiry and critical examination, the Academy welcomes all disciplined reflection on religion–both from within and outside of communities of belief and practice–and seeks to enhance its broad public understanding." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bug Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The American Academy of Religion has been around for many decades and is alive and "well". There next conference (which is huge) will be in Chicago in November 2008. See you there? Dont you mean "American Academy of Brain Washing"? And I wont see you there. My brain is as dirty as ever. You are certainly not in those thoughts. But back to Bhutto and tribal poitics........ How will they fare if the husband gets involved? More graft accusations will not be a unifying force. Seems like the son stands more of a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TREETOAD Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Short list of critical incidents in Pakistan since zero day of Bhutto's assassination: Synopsis: The total death toll in the country over the last three days of rioting stands at 38, with another 53 injured. According to Interior Ministry spokesman Javed Iqbal Cheema, rioters have torched as many as 174 banks, 370 cars and 765 shops in several cities. Railway stations and police stations have been damaged, and transportation has been brought to a standstill in the most volatile areas as Bhutto supporters have ordered cars and buses off the road to protest the assassination. Karachi * Four people were killed Dec. 29 in shootings in Karachi in Pakistan’s Sindh province, and two of the deaths are confirmed, Stratfor sources in the country said. Twenty-six people were wounded in shootings, and some were looters shot by the paramilitary Pakistan Rangers. * Stores in the Zamzama shopping district near Defense were looted and damaged. * Seven large fires were reported, one at a stadium close to the U.S. Consulate, and one large tire fire in the Korangi area that can be seen from at least 4 miles away and is producing significant smoke. * The Port of Qasim has been closed since the news of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s death. * Residents are afraid to leave their homes during the three-day mourning period after Bhutto’s death. * International flights and some domestic flights are operating in Karachi, and the route to the airport is secure during the day. The U.S. Embassy has prohibited its employees from taking domestic flights over the next few days. * Several shops tried to open Dec. 29, but angry crowds forced them to close. * The situation is “uncomfortable” for residents who do not have stockpiles of food. Sindh province * The National Highway in Sindh remains closed, and mobs are attacking and burning any vehicles traveling on that road, Stratfor sources in Pakistan said. * A shutterdown strike continues, enforced by mobs armed with Kalashnikov weapons. * Pakistan’s Civil Aviation Authority said some domestic flights will resume in the near future, and Pakistan International Airlines has resumed international flights to and from Karachi. * No city in Sindh has a curfew, although curfews remain an option, police said. * The army is present in the streets in the cities of Sukkur, Larkana, Badin, and Hyderabad. In Karachi, the army is only present in two neighborhoods. Naushahero Feroz * On the National Highway, 150 vehicles were torched. Hyderabad * Gun battles took place between the Sindhi and Mohajir communities, wounding eight people. The clashes occurred despite army presence in the streets. Khairpur * Police and protesters clashed, at least 50 people were arrested, and one truck was torched. Almost as bad as the Rodney King riots of 92 The riots, beginning in the evening after the verdict, peaked in intensity over the next two days, but would ultimately continue for several days. Continuous television coverage, especially by helicopter news crews, riveted the country and shocked viewers around the world. People watched as parts of the city went up in flames, stores were openly looted, innocent bystanders were beaten, and rioters shot at police. A curfew and deployment of California National Guard troops began to control the situation; eventually federal troops from the 7th Infantry Division in Fort Ord and United States Marines from the 1st Marine Division in Camp Pendleton would be sent to the city to quell disorder. Estimates of the number of lives lost during the unrest vary between 50 and 60, with as many as 2,000 people injured. Estimates of the material damage done vary between about $800 million and $1 billion. Approximately 3,600 fires were set, destroying 1,100 buildings, with fire calls coming once every minute at some points. About 10,000 people were arrested. Stores owned by Korean and other Asian immigrants were widely targeted, although stores owned by whites and blacks were also targeted. Despite the race riot image the event retains, much of the looting and violence was done by young men, mostly black, and much of the looting was opportunistic theft of luxury goods. Criminals used the chaos to their own benefit, and street gangs settled scores with each other and fought the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 The American Academy of Religion has been around for many decades and is alive and "well". There next conference (which is huge) will be in Chicago in November 2008. See you there? Dont you mean "American Academy of Brain Washing"? And I wont see you there. Kevbone....your ignorance seems to know no bounds..... Oh yes it does....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archenemy Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 This is a great thread. All the BS threads on this site are so worth wading through to get to a gem like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lI1|1! Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 Benazir Butto wasn't murdered. She hit her head. It was an accident. autopsy report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TREETOAD Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 ]The original 5 books of the Torah were written during David's reign as a court apologetic. This is all heresy to fundamentalists of course. You don't know from Torah....really....you don't! Who taught you this was a fool. I need more scotch to continue...... Please don't. Your seminary (oy!) or whatever ignorant training was at least partially a waste of time. what's with the rolling pins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 they're used to keep bacon flat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindawg Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 they're used to keep bacon flat Hey Jackass! How about taking your uniform off and sit in the corner for awhile until you're ready to join civilization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TREETOAD Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 they're used to keep bacon flat funny for a few reasons!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Hey, MonkeyBoy, howzabout takin' a chill pill and contemplating the true meaning of "civility"? hint: it's not about anyone obeying your personal strictures of conduct. So, was it the horrifying thought of sullying "sacred texts" with the very substance it condemns that set you off? another bread crumb for you to follow: God is not in the leaves of dry papyrus, be they oil-stained or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 First Godwin I recall seeing here. Too bad it's with a picture of a Torah. Unimaginative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindawg Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Hey, MonkeyBoy, howzabout takin' a chill pill and contemplating the true meaning of "civility"? hint: it's not about anyone obeying your personal strictures of conduct. So, was it the horrifying thought of sullying "sacred texts" with the very substance it condemns that set you off? It's all about your profound and crass disrespect. It also involves your profound ignorance of history. I suggest that you think about it....but I doubt that you will. First Godwin I recall seeing here. Too bad it's with a picture of a Torah. Unimaginative. Unimaginative that someone on cc.com would make a comment about rolling pork flat with a Torah scroll. By the way, Godwin's so-called "law" doesn't exclude appropriate associations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 your insults only perpetuates the cycle dawg, preach love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 they're used to keep bacon flat that's funny man. by the way, i'm jewish and i eat pork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TREETOAD Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 they're used to keep bacon flat quote of the year so far!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindawg Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 they're used to keep bacon flat that's funny man. by the way, i'm jewish and i eat pork. That's not the point. To some, (maybe not you), "DeChristo"'s comments are about on the same level as the so-called "N-word". Now ain't that a funny quote, "TREETOAD"? Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Oh I see. Political correctness is a outrage... but don't anyone dare insult religion! We're all sensitive about that sort of thing, it makes us violent and what not. So let's hear it for coddling each other's sensitivities! Oops I'm sorry, that ass probably offended people who are averse to nudity. Sorry. oops sorry to the profanity-sensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
builder206 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 That's not the point. To some, (maybe not you), "DeChristo"'s comments are about on the same level as the so-called "N-word". That's not the point. It's about higher principles, right? Same motivation as the reaction to this: DeChirsto offends you. Got it. Deal with it as best you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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