Hypocrisy

[Seahawks]

Are we at war with Cuba? I thought there was just a embargo simply because Castro wont do what America wants him to do.

 

I was referring to the Cuban missle crisis.

[archenemy]

And just a tiny note of an ugly reality:

Most forms of birth control are not 100%. So please don't jump to the conclusion that every unplanned pregnancy is a direct result of irresponsible behavior. (And please don't say that is a justification for abortion blah blah blah--I am only pointing out that accidents do happen-even to responsible adults).

 

 

Sorry, Arch. For a very, very small percentage of women/couples your point may hold true. But there are options available when others fail or are ignored. Some of those to the right of me are against even these types of contraception - after all, the pill doesn't prevent conception, only implantation - to whom I say: get a fucking life! Sex is fun. Not just for procreation. People are horny. Accidents happen. Options are available for up to 72 hours that don't involve killing. And even then, there's always...adoption.

Hey, I'm with you on this. I keep this on hand even though I have a very reliable birthcontrol method I depend on. But, did you know that this Plan B is $50? And I am sure you have been reading about the lawsuits women have had to bring in order to force pharm. workers to fill it for them. These are fights we shouldn't have, and these are expenses some women don't have $50 laying around for. And, if you do not keep up on current affairs, you may not even know about this. Believe it or not, getting birth control info is not as easy as you'd think for a whole class of folks. I think anyone who volunteers or works at womens shelters can tell you how suprising it is. Furthermore, this also doesn't address young girls who have even less access to money, education, etc. And they are less comfortable going up to a counter and asking for this--just think how tough it is for young boys to buy their first condoms. At least they don't have to ask a pharma. worker for it! And I don't know if they will even give Plan B to kids under 18.

And just to keep clear--I am not trying to justify not taking responsibility for one's actions. But the problem of unwanted pregnancy is complicated, and I'd like to see all the issues faced so that some day, there are no more unplanned, unwanted pregnancies.

[archenemy]

Oh, and most insurance doesn't cover Plan B. They'll cover Viagra, but not Plan B.

[kevbone]

Are we at war with Cuba? I thought there was just a embargo simply because Castro wont do what America wants him to do.

 

I was referring to the Cuban missle crisis.

 

Don’t you think if we were at war with Cuba that incident would be called the Cuban missile War and not Crisis?

[Dechristo]

IMBECILE

[KaskadskyjKozak]

IMBECILE

 

 

 

[Off_White]

I'd be happy to be your top

 

Just to be clear, even if you're the pitcher, you're still gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

[Couloir]

Oh, and most insurance doesn't cover Plan B. They'll cover Viagra, but not Plan B.

 

I believe this is because with Viagra you are attempting to correct something that doesn't work. With birth control you are trying to stop something that is natural. Similar to the fact that insurance generally doesn't, for instance, cover Rogaine to stop balding.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Oh, and most insurance doesn't cover Plan B. They'll cover Viagra, but not Plan B.

 

I believe this is because with Viagra you are attempting to correct something that doesn't work. With birth control you are trying to stop something that is natural. Similar to the fact that insurance generally doesn't, for instance, cover Rogaine to balding.

 

Less Viagra = less need for Plan B.

[Seahawks]

Are we at war with Cuba? I thought there was just a embargo simply because Castro wont do what America wants him to do.

 

I was referring to the Cuban missle crisis.

 

Don’t you think if we were at war with Cuba that incident would be called the Cuban missile War and not Crisis?

 

LOL How about the cold war. No it wasn't cold outside and no there wasn't actually a war. Wow don't prove them all right.

[archenemy]

Oh, and most insurance doesn't cover Plan B. They'll cover Viagra, but not Plan B.

 

I believe this is because with Viagra you are attempting to correct something that doesn't work. With birth control you are trying to stop something that is natural. Similar to the fact that insurance generally doesn't, for instance, cover Rogaine to stop balding.

I would really like to believe that, but it just isn't true.

 

First of all, most ED is a natural side effect of aging. Second of all, birth control is a normal activity that most countries like ours follow. (And that's good--it'd be tough to support 8 kids for every family). I think if you read a little on the incredible battle that it took for women to get birth control pills covered, you'll see that there is more than just your theory at work here. There have also been amazing battles that women fought just to get something back to normal again. For example, the legal fights over getting an implant after having a breast removed due to cancer were bitter. Isn't this simply returning something back to normal?

 

I wish I could remember the name of the book I read that researched the battles fought over different coverages. Issues that only affected women were far more common and took much much longer to win than issues that only affected men. I am happy to see that trend starting to change.

[ericb]

And just a tiny note of an ugly reality:

Most forms of birth control are not 100%. So please don't jump to the conclusion that every unplanned pregnancy is a direct result of irresponsible behavior. (And please don't say that is a justification for abortion blah blah blah--I am only pointing out that accidents do happen-even to responsible adults).

 

 

Sorry, Arch. For a very, very small percentage of women/couples your point may hold true. But there are options available when others fail or are ignored. Some of those to the right of me are against even these types of contraception - after all, the pill doesn't prevent conception, only implantation - to whom I say: get a fucking life! Sex is fun. Not just for procreation. People are horny. Accidents happen. Options are available for up to 72 hours that don't involve killing. And even then, there's always...adoption.

Hey, I'm with you on this. I keep this on hand even though I have a very reliable birthcontrol method I depend on. But, did you know that this Plan B is $50? And I am sure you have been reading about the lawsuits women have had to bring in order to force pharm. workers to fill it for them. These are fights we shouldn't have, and these are expenses some women don't have $50 laying around for. And, if you do not keep up on current affairs, you may not even know about this. Believe it or not, getting birth control info is not as easy as you'd think for a whole class of folks. I think anyone who volunteers or works at womens shelters can tell you how suprising it is. Furthermore, this also doesn't address young girls who have even less access to money, education, etc. And they are less comfortable going up to a counter and asking for this--just think how tough it is for young boys to buy their first condoms. At least they don't have to ask a pharma. worker for it! And I don't know if they will even give Plan B to kids under 18.

And just to keep clear--I am not trying to justify not taking responsibility for one's actions. But the problem of unwanted pregnancy is complicated, and I'd like to see all the issues faced so that some day, there are no more unplanned, unwanted pregnancies.

 

Poor little things....getting embarrassed and out $50 bucks.....probably cheaper and less traumatic to have an abortion

[KaskadskyjKozak]

First of all, most ED is a natural side effect of aging. Second of all, birth control is a normal activity that most countries like ours follow. (And that's good--it'd be tough to support 8 kids for every family). I think if you read a little on the incredible battle that it took for women to get birth control pills covered, you'll see that there is more than just your theory at work here. There have also been amazing battles that women fought just to get something back to normal again. For example, the legal fights over getting an implant after having a breast removed due to cancer were bitter. Isn't this simply returning something back to normal?

 

You are right here. We need to have Birth control covered before Viagra/Cialis. Who cares if some horny old coot can't get it up, anyways. :-O

 

 

[archenemy]

I think proper sexual functioning is very important to the overall mental health of everyone and supporting that is a good thing. But birth control is key not only to keeping unwanted pregnancies down, but also important for one's mental health. Not having to worry about getting pregnant while having sex (every damn time) is a biggie--one that I don't think most men can really relate to.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

I think proper sexual functioning is very important to the overall mental health of everyone and supporting that is a good thing. But birth control is key not only to keeping unwanted pregnancies down, but also important for one's mental health. Not having to worry about getting pregnant while having sex (every damn time) is a biggie--one that I don't think most men can really relate to.

 

I think a lot of viagra is sold to (older) guys who just want to have marathon sex.

 

 

[kevbone]

 

We need to have Birth control covered before Viagra/Cialis. Who cares if some horny old coot can't get it up, anyways.

 

 

Carefull what you say.....before too long you will be that horny old coot!

[archenemy]

And just a tiny note of an ugly reality:

Most forms of birth control are not 100%. So please don't jump to the conclusion that every unplanned pregnancy is a direct result of irresponsible behavior. (And please don't say that is a justification for abortion blah blah blah--I am only pointing out that accidents do happen-even to responsible adults).

 

 

Sorry, Arch. For a very, very small percentage of women/couples your point may hold true. But there are options available when others fail or are ignored. Some of those to the right of me are against even these types of contraception - after all, the pill doesn't prevent conception, only implantation - to whom I say: get a fucking life! Sex is fun. Not just for procreation. People are horny. Accidents happen. Options are available for up to 72 hours that don't involve killing. And even then, there's always...adoption.

Hey, I'm with you on this. I keep this on hand even though I have a very reliable birthcontrol method I depend on. But, did you know that this Plan B is $50? And I am sure you have been reading about the lawsuits women have had to bring in order to force pharm. workers to fill it for them. These are fights we shouldn't have, and these are expenses some women don't have $50 laying around for. And, if you do not keep up on current affairs, you may not even know about this. Believe it or not, getting birth control info is not as easy as you'd think for a whole class of folks. I think anyone who volunteers or works at womens shelters can tell you how suprising it is. Furthermore, this also doesn't address young girls who have even less access to money, education, etc. And they are less comfortable going up to a counter and asking for this--just think how tough it is for young boys to buy their first condoms. At least they don't have to ask a pharma. worker for it! And I don't know if they will even give Plan B to kids under 18.

And just to keep clear--I am not trying to justify not taking responsibility for one's actions. But the problem of unwanted pregnancy is complicated, and I'd like to see all the issues faced so that some day, there are no more unplanned, unwanted pregnancies.

 

Poor little things....getting embarrassed and out $50 bucks.....probably cheaper and less traumatic to have an abortion

Gosh, I wonder why conservatives get a bad rap for not being compassionate.

And what about the taking responsibility bullshit for men? I'd like to meet one woman over the age of 30 who expects 100% condom use from partners and has never had to go through 1) requesting that he please use one 2) saying yes, no one likes to use them but quit your fucking whining and put it on. And that conversation is also not comfortable for a young girl (or someone more shy, feminine, or sensitive)--especially the first few times. I realize you don't care, but this is reality. And if your next kid is a daughter, these are the things you are going to have to face with her.

[ericb]

And just a tiny note of an ugly reality:

Most forms of birth control are not 100%. So please don't jump to the conclusion that every unplanned pregnancy is a direct result of irresponsible behavior. (And please don't say that is a justification for abortion blah blah blah--I am only pointing out that accidents do happen-even to responsible adults).

 

 

Sorry, Arch. For a very, very small percentage of women/couples your point may hold true. But there are options available when others fail or are ignored. Some of those to the right of me are against even these types of contraception - after all, the pill doesn't prevent conception, only implantation - to whom I say: get a fucking life! Sex is fun. Not just for procreation. People are horny. Accidents happen. Options are available for up to 72 hours that don't involve killing. And even then, there's always...adoption.

Hey, I'm with you on this. I keep this on hand even though I have a very reliable birthcontrol method I depend on. But, did you know that this Plan B is $50? And I am sure you have been reading about the lawsuits women have had to bring in order to force pharm. workers to fill it for them. These are fights we shouldn't have, and these are expenses some women don't have $50 laying around for. And, if you do not keep up on current affairs, you may not even know about this. Believe it or not, getting birth control info is not as easy as you'd think for a whole class of folks. I think anyone who volunteers or works at womens shelters can tell you how suprising it is. Furthermore, this also doesn't address young girls who have even less access to money, education, etc. And they are less comfortable going up to a counter and asking for this--just think how tough it is for young boys to buy their first condoms. At least they don't have to ask a pharma. worker for it! And I don't know if they will even give Plan B to kids under 18.

And just to keep clear--I am not trying to justify not taking responsibility for one's actions. But the problem of unwanted pregnancy is complicated, and I'd like to see all the issues faced so that some day, there are no more unplanned, unwanted pregnancies.

 

Poor little things....getting embarrassed and out $50 bucks.....probably cheaper and less traumatic to have an abortion

Gosh, I wonder why conservatives get a bad rap for not being compassionate.

And what about the taking responsibility bullshit for men? I'd like to meet one woman over the age of 30 who expects 100% condom use from partners and has never had to go through 1) requesting that he please use one 2) saying yes, no one likes to use them but quit your fucking whining and put it on. And that conversation is also not comfortable for a young girl (or someone more shy, feminine, or sensitive)--especially the first few times. I realize you don't care, but this is reality. And if your next kid is a daughter, these are the things you are going to have to face with her.

 

AE....I don't think my compassion, or lack thereof is the issue. You seem to imply with your post that a good argument for legalized abortion is that Plan B, is both expensive and embarrassing to request. I was simply pointing out that getting an abortion would be both more expensive, and likely far more emotionally difficult than requesting, and paying for Plan B...pretty much a bullshit argument if you ask me.

 

 

[Couloir]

Oh, and most insurance doesn't cover Plan B. They'll cover Viagra, but not Plan B.

 

I believe this is because with Viagra you are attempting to correct something that doesn't work. With birth control you are trying to stop something that is natural. Similar to the fact that insurance generally doesn't, for instance, cover Rogaine to stop balding.

I would really like to believe that, but it just isn't true.

 

First of all, most ED is a natural side effect of aging. Second of all, birth control is a normal activity that most countries like ours follow. (And that's good--it'd be tough to support 8 kids for every family). I think if you read a little on the incredible battle that it took for women to get birth control pills covered, you'll see that there is more than just your theory at work here. There have also been amazing battles that women fought just to get something back to normal again. For example, the legal fights over getting an implant after having a breast removed due to cancer were bitter. Isn't this simply returning something back to normal?

 

I wish I could remember the name of the book I read that researched the battles fought over different coverages. Issues that only affected women were far more common and took much much longer to win than issues that only affected men. I am happy to see that trend starting to change.

 

I understand what you're saying Arch. This was based on an interview I heard several months back on NPR on a discussion of certain kinds of drug coverage. It's definately not my opinion. I happen to agree with your take on it.

 

KK - I'm with you on the birth control / viagra idea. But I understand (from the same NPR program) that a large percentage of Viagra/ Cialis et.al. users (not necessarily sales) are to single, twenty-something males. They can drink hard all night and then fuck til the sun comes up.

[kevbone]

But I understand (from the same NPR program) that a large percentage of Viagra/ Cialis et.al. users (not necessarily sales) are to single, twenty-something males. They can drink hard all night and then fuck til the sun comes up.

 

 

Uh....I dont need a drug to help me do that!

[Off_White]

There's an old Wild Seeds song....

 

I'm sorry

So sorry

I can't rock you

All night long

It's an interesting idea baby

But it would be wrong

[JayB]

Oh, and most insurance doesn't cover Plan B. They'll cover Viagra, but not Plan B.

 

I believe this is because with Viagra you are attempting to correct something that doesn't work. With birth control you are trying to stop something that is natural. Similar to the fact that insurance generally doesn't, for instance, cover Rogaine to stop balding.

I would really like to believe that, but it just isn't true.

 

First of all, most ED is a natural side effect of aging. Second of all, birth control is a normal activity that most countries like ours follow. (And that's good--it'd be tough to support 8 kids for every family). I think if you read a little on the incredible battle that it took for women to get birth control pills covered, you'll see that there is more than just your theory at work here. There have also been amazing battles that women fought just to get something back to normal again. For example, the legal fights over getting an implant after having a breast removed due to cancer were bitter. Isn't this simply returning something back to normal?

 

I wish I could remember the name of the book I read that researched the battles fought over different coverages. Issues that only affected women were far more common and took much much longer to win than issues that only affected men. I am happy to see that trend starting to change.

 

You mean like the current disparity between the funding available for breast and prostate cancer research?

[jaee]

Put your money where your mouth is. Say there's 14 million abortions worldwide each year. http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/wrjp338sd.html

 

Say there's 6 billion people, give or take. Say 40% are fit for parenting. That's 2.4 billion.

 

Now we abolish abortion, worldwide. Let's just do the right thing and make sure that those babies get homes and place those children with people making more than poverty level income.

 

I'm betting more than 50% of the adults of the world live below the poverty line. So I'll reduce that 2.4 to 1.2 billion.

 

So social services now has a 1% chance every year of showing up at your door with an Ethiopian or Iraqi or Tlingit child. Here you go, Mr. KKK. We've decided to abolish abortion and the only way we can keep up with the supply is to draft parents for these children. Have a happy life. We'll be checking back weekly to see how it is going.

 

Is that OK with you?

[tvashtarkatena]

Dude…..when you smoke, not only does it hurt you…..but it also hurts the people around you. Physically! So, no one is telling you not to smoke, just do it outside.

 

Dude...when you abort a baby, not only does it hurt the mother... but it also kills the baby inside her. Physically! So, no one is telling you not to kill, just do it to a deer in the forest or a clump of carrots.

 

It can hurt the mother a lot more to have the state force her (and yes, that is what you propose) to have a child. Child birth has a much higher mortality/morbidity rate than abortion.

[tvashtarkatena]

Our smoking ban passed overwhelmingly by referendum. It was "us telling the government to protect us from us". The government simply did what we told them too.

So, by majority rule, it's OK to take away the rights of everyone, including those who voted against it? This is "democracy" run amok, with people voting how they feel on an issue instead of voting by the principles of freedom the country is based on.

 

You're making the common but assumption that people who don't vote the way you do are dumber than you are. Referendums are not democracy 'run amok', but pure democracy, which famously suffers from the tyranny of the majority. A bill of rights can counter this, but there is no 'right to smoke' embodied in any state constitution.

 

 

Climbing Hood is not a similar issue, because climbers use only 2-3% of SAR services. It could easily be argued that singling climbers out for regulatory purposes violates the constitution's equal protection clause. The state would have to license or ban all outdoor activities, which, of course, would be unnacceptable to the public.

any guess to what percentage of emergency services motorcycles make up? [edit: oh, and if you want to talk per capita, then please give me some per capita stats on climbers & their SAR usage, b/c I'd bet it's at least somewhat higher than other user groups

 

Do your own web research, lazy bones.