underworld Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) what's the cut off for long and short routes? Â i'd like to know if i've ever soloed... Â Â depending on what this cut off is... maybe there are a lot of people cooler than pope. or at least lucky enough to be his peers Edited July 31, 2007 by underworld Quote
joblo7 Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 like in his everyday life, the 'modern' climber try his hardest to remove himself from the experience.fear,adventure,chance,risk,awareness,consciousness are all hindrances to his 'success'.he got no time fo' that. from his ac'd house to his ac'd car, altimeters,ropes,grigris,asscenders,racks,fast/light crap,bolts,grades,etc he would shit to have to 'climb'5.6 alone. Quote
olyclimber Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 the only true measure of authenticity is suffering Quote
underworld Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 like in his everyday life, the 'modern' climber try his hardest to remove himself from the experience.fear,adventure,chance,risk,awareness,consciousness are all hindrances to his 'success'.he got no time fo' that. from his ac'd house to his ac'd car, altimeters,ropes,grigris,asscenders,racks,fast/light crap,bolts,grades,etc he would shit to have to 'climb'5.6 alone. Â maybe those that can still find a pure send with all those gadgets and gear has a little more mental fortitute than those that are easily distracted by all that. Â like a good driver is one that can knee stear w/ a phone in one hand, cig in the other and meatball sub in the other...vs someone that needs total silence and no traffic to make safe passage. Quote
joblo7 Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 what's the cut off for long and short routes? i'd like to know if i've ever soloed...   depending on what this cut off is... maybe there are a lot of people cooler than pope. or at least lucky enough to be his peers  i know i aint his peer! i think if you ever soloed ,you know it.i think its the part where your fear matches your capacity. Quote
kevbone Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 bolting is pollution plain and simple.  Are you telling me you have never used a bolt? For anything?    Thats what I thought! Quote
underworld Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 then i've soloed just looking at a topo. Â WEEEE!!!! Â Quote
AlpineK Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 All I know is I was impressed with Pope's solo, but that whole chalk bag thing has changed my mind. Poor solo style. Quote
RuMR Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 I thought bloudering was the "purest" form of climbing? Or maybe just dreaming about climbing is the purest. No, wait, Spraying about climbing must be the purest. i'm as pure as freshly fallen snow, then... Quote
RuMR Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 like in his everyday life, the 'modern' climber try his hardest to remove himself from the experience.fear,adventure,chance,risk,awareness,consciousness are all hindrances to his 'success'.he got no time fo' that. from his ac'd house to his ac'd car, altimeters,ropes,grigris,asscenders,racks,fast/light crap,bolts,grades,etc he would shit to have to 'climb'5.6 alone. you sound like a shittalkin' tool...go lose some more weight and cut off the fat lobe above your neck... Quote
joblo7 Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 i just sound like one when i spray. in real life i dont give a ff Quote
archenemy Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 what's the cut off for long and short routes? i'd like to know if i've ever soloed...   depending on what this cut off is... maybe there are a lot of people cooler than pope. or at least lucky enough to be his peers Anything shorter than three days is short. A "girl" her gotta have her standards! Quote
ScottP Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 (snip) like a good driver is one that can knee stear w/ a phone in one hand, cig in the other and meatball sub in the other...vs someone that needs total silence and no traffic to make safe passage. Â Â In other words, someone quite special... Â Quote
joblo7 Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 bolting is pollution plain and simple.  Are you telling me you have never used a bolt? For anything?    Thats what I thought!  i clipped a few on belays.climbed a few bolted routes and it always feels like 'rock-rape" to me.....odd in nature. bolt the gym!!!climb indoors.leave the rock alone. its just become too easy for anyone to bolt whatever they feel like.it's just 'tagging'. like the kids graffiti.or tattooing your bod. then punks can say they put up a new route.GETTING YOUR KICKS.leaving your mark.otherwise who will learn of your greatness?  IMOHO Quote
Off_White Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Yeah, and you must be really disgusted with those bolt placing rock rapers like Tom Higgins, Fred Beckey, Royal Robbins, Vern Clevenger, Tobin Sorenson, John Bachar, John Salathe, Layton Kor, Ron Kauk, Kurt Smith, Werner Braun, Rick Accomazzo, Kevin Worrall, Jim Bridwell, Pat Callis, Bob Kamps, George Lowe, and that whole crowd of punkass twits tagging the rocks for kicks. Quote
joblo7 Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Yeah, and you must be really disgusted with those bolt placing rock rapers like Tom Higgins, Fred Beckey, Royal Robbins, Vern Clevenger, Tobin Sorenson, John Bachar, John Salathe, Layton Kor, Ron Kauk, Kurt Smith, Werner Braun, Rick Accomazzo, Kevin Worrall, Jim Bridwell, Pat Callis, Bob Kamps, George Lowe, and that whole crowd of punkass twits tagging the rocks for kicks. Â never heard of 'hem. what about lynn hill she's a bolter right? girls bolt too...... Quote
Off_White Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 never heard of 'hem. Â How embarrassing for you. Â Lynn's not particularly known for poking holes on the sharp end, but I'd be surprised if she hasn't done it, along with the likes of Bev Johnson, Sybele Hetchel, Catherine Freer, Sue McDevitt, Eve Tallman, Lisa Rands, and a host of others you've also never heard of. Quote
joblo7 Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 i was joking on the not knowing...... but if you read my post i said it 'felt to me' like rock-nature-rape. in a gym i dont feel that.a few years back, i saw a video of lynn and some other great new kids climbing a route somewhere far and obscure and they bolted some of it if i recall, i thought it was too bad.i was into their adventure until they pulled the hilti out...... Â personally, i never bolted and never will.if i climb a bolted route,i enjoy it, but i dont call it climbing rock and the grades are rather meaningless (sorry, noob), like if i have to jumar my way up the big 'e' i dont feel i'm messner's buddy.a spade is.. Â i really feel bolting should be restricted to specific urban areas , for practice. real rock lines should be preserved for many generations to test themselves at improvisation. Quote
joblo7 Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 wait 'till arch read that mysoginistic omission........ Quote
pink Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 bolts are part of climbing. i think that you speak of over bolting. Quote
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