I am a true patriot

[StevenSeagal]

 

Little did I know

 

 

You got one thing right.

[catbirdseat]

Total power corrupts.

 

And never in the history of our nation has this been so succinctly illustrated as under the administration of George W. Bush at the helm of all three branches of government under Republican control.

 

Little did I know this would bring those Libby's out.

For a minute I thought you were referring to Scooter, but I then realized you were talking about liberals.

[ZimZam]

The woman is Cindy Sheehan, whose son killed in action in Iraq. She gained a degree of fame/notoriety for protesting the war for the past few years.

and quit this week citing the fact that more folks give a shit about american idol then their culpability in a aggressive war that's killed and continues to kill thousands

 

not quite certain why she was chilling w/ chavez, nor how that would diminish the truth of her message.

 

Why is it that there is not more of an uproar over this war. Neither here or abroad has there been a consistent social upheaval by the masses against this "war." My belief is that since the abolishment of the draft, we have become apathetic and complacent in how we deal with war. Because of a "volunteer force", which incidentally has lowered its recruiting standards to the bottom rung, people see no reason to complain as long as it doesn't affect them.

 

I am in no way advocating a re-institution of selective service. I just believe that it is predominate reason why more people just don't give a fuck. When they run out of bodies,dont think "they" wont come a callin' your number. Then watch how fast you hear chants of, "Hell no we won't go." The face of the anti-war movement should not have been Cindy Sheehan's. It should be that of a mobilized youth.

 

Hey SeaHag

[i_like_sun]

 

 

 

 

 

This country is so fucked.

[Seahawks]

 

Little did I know

 

 

You got one thing right.

 

Where you been Jackass??

[StevenSeagal]

With your Mom! LOL.

[McStupid]

...people see no reason to complain as long as it doesn't affect them.

 

People would respond different if it were being fought over here, or there was a chance of them being drafted.

 

Thank goodness we can just ignore it!

Edited June 1, 2007 by McStupid

[TREETOAD]

The woman is Cindy Sheehan, whose son killed in action in Iraq. She gained a degree of fame/notoriety for protesting the war for the past few years.

and quit this week citing the fact that more folks give a shit about american idol then their culpability in a aggressive war that's killed and continues to kill thousands

 

not quite certain why she was chilling w/ chavez, nor how that would diminish the truth of her message.

 

Why is it that there is not more of an uproar over this war. Neither here or abroad has there been a consistent social upheaval by the masses against this "war." My belief is that since the abolishment of the draft, we have become apathetic and complacent in how we deal with war. Because of a "volunteer force", which incidentally has lowered its recruiting standards to the bottom rung, people see no reason to complain as long as it doesn't affect them.

 

I am in no way advocating a re-institution of selective service. I just believe that it is predominate reason why more people just don't give a fuck. When they run out of bodies,dont think "they" wont come a callin' your number. Then watch how fast you hear chants of, "Hell no we won't go." The face of the anti-war movement should not have been Cindy Sheehan's. It should be that of a mobilized youth.

 

Hey SeaHag

 

Well said, The fact is, someone is butchering American youth, snatching them off the streets of the poor neighborhoods and spreading their guts all over the streets of Baghdad. Shame.

George has got a couple of years of mayhem left in him. How much can you stand.

[Fairweather]

Total power corrupts.

 

And never in the history of our nation has this been so succinctly illustrated as under the administration of George W. Bush at the helm of all three branches of government under Republican control.

 

Your lack of historical perspective is stunning. Pick up a book sometime.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Total power corrupts.

 

And never in the history of our nation has this been so succinctly illustrated as under the administration of George W. Bush at the helm of all three branches of government under Republican control.

 

That's funny, the Dems still managed to take control of congress. If Bush had absolute power that never would have occurred, you fucktard.

 

[KaskadskyjKozak]

Picture says it all.

 

 

If you mean that it states that Cindy Sheehan is a stupid, clueless cunt, then you are absolutely correct.

 

[Skeezix]

...stupid, clueless cunt...

C'mon, show some class.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

...stupid, clueless cunt...

C'mon, show some class.

 

Class? Like using a child's death for a political campaign of personal destruction, engaging in a seditious game of anti-Americanism, meeting with despicable dictators who are actively trying to undermine us? That kind of class?

[Clavote]

...stupid, clueless cunt...

C'mon, show some class.

 

Class? Like using a child's death for a political campaign of personal destruction, engaging in a seditious game of anti-Americanism, meeting with despicable dictators who are actively trying to undermine us? That kind of class?

 

Mr. Chavez is really the anti-oligarch in Venezuela.

 

The fact that the elites in Venezuela neglected and exploited the poor to the point where they represent 80 to 85% of the population allowed Chavez to be democratically elected.

 

This is not a bad thing, to be democratically elected. Unless the US Gov decides they did not like the results. Remember Iraqi elections....

 

Those elites, who thought democracy was only for them, failed to recognize the sleeping giant in the impoverished masses had a vote too. I suppose they thought they did a good enough job keeping the masses uneducated and starving that they did not fear their vote.

 

After 500+ years of fucking over the poor, they deserve that asswipe Chavez.

 

I was recently privy to be detained by the Venezuelan National Guard for being in the wrong place while on our way to dinner. This detention, was horrible. Auto weapons in our faces. Threats of death. Accusations of being "paramilitaries" come to Venezuela to assassinate Chavez were used as a pretext to rob us of our money. And rob us they did.

 

We spent the night at Military Intelligence where the professional Army realized we were innocent and the target of Chavez thugs in the National Guard. We were released the next morning, but not before we got to see the political prisoners from the Army being held there. Scary shit.

 

Chavez may do some good for a lot of the poor in Venezuela. I doubt he is more than a zit on the ass of the US Gov. He is not inclined to be inclusive with the upper classes. This is wrong. He is determined to force feed them some of their own medicine and it is a bitter thing for the wealthy and privileged who for so long been in power, political and economic. Those assholes deserve Chavez.

 

I do know that his arrogance has emboldened the National Guard thugs to harass the middle class and visitors to Venezuela. This is a very, very dangerous situation.

 

It's not Venezuela, socialism or even Chavez we should fear, we should fear his thugs who act on Chavez's threats. They are the equals of the right wing thugs that came before them.

 

The right wing and Chavez deserve one another.

 

Be good to your fellow human being and share your food with him in brotherhood. If not, he will remember you did not help him and when the tables are turned, he will not help you. He may, in fact, come to kill you.

 

[JayB]

Maybe she wants to go back when socalist controlled the world. Heck then her son could be dragged out of his house and just shot in the back of the head. Much easier.

 

Crass? Yes.

Heartless? Yes

 

Truthful??? Yes.

Seahawks equates socialism with totalitarianism. One does not follow necessarily from the other.

 

Once the state has amassed enough power to assume complete control over the economy, it has more than enough power to crush all dissent.

 

Leon Trotsky said it best:

 

"'The old principle, 'Who does not work shall not eat,' has been replaced by a new one: 'Who does not obey shall not eat.' ''

[JayB]

Things are just getting started in Venezuela. They've just started the long-march on "The Road to Serfdom." Destinations: Repression, Poverty, and Collapse. There is no escape from this.

[Dechristo]

This country is so fucked.

 

If you'd written "world", you may have had a point, as this world can be Heaven and/or Hell depending on your personal momentary experience.

 

This "country", however, is one of the best, if not the best in this world - once you travel a bit more and sample Asia, Africa, and South America, the poverty and oppression of most of the people in this world will give you pause (hopefully) in your mouth before making such statements.

 

In many cultures, with your oft voiced condition of ADD and erratic behavior as a young child, you may have been abandoned to the streets and a life of petty theft and sucking cock for survival. Count your blessings and thank your lucky stars you've been pampered in this country and culture.

[Seahawks]

...stupid, clueless cunt...

C'mon, show some class.

 

Class? Like using a child's death for a political campaign of personal destruction, engaging in a seditious game of anti-Americanism, meeting with despicable dictators who are actively trying to undermine us? That kind of class?

 

Mr. Chavez is really the anti-oligarch in Venezuela.

 

The fact that the elites in Venezuela neglected and exploited the poor to the point where they represent 80 to 85% of the population allowed Chavez to be democratically elected.

 

This is not a bad thing, to be democratically elected. Unless the US Gov decides they did not like the results. Remember Iraqi elections....

 

Those elites, who thought democracy was only for them, failed to recognize the sleeping giant in the impoverished masses had a vote too. I suppose they thought they did a good enough job keeping the masses uneducated and starving that they did not fear their vote.

 

After 500+ years of fucking over the poor, they deserve that asswipe Chavez.

 

I was recently privy to be detained by the Venezuelan National Guard for being in the wrong place while on our way to dinner. This detention, was horrible. Auto weapons in our faces. Threats of death. Accusations of being "paramilitaries" come to Venezuela to assassinate Chavez were used as a pretext to rob us of our money. And rob us they did.

 

We spent the night at Military Intelligence where the professional Army realized we were innocent and the target of Chavez thugs in the National Guard. We were released the next morning, but not before we got to see the political prisoners from the Army being held there. Scary shit.

 

Chavez may do some good for a lot of the poor in Venezuela. I doubt he is more than a zit on the ass of the US Gov. He is not inclined to be inclusive with the upper classes. This is wrong. He is determined to force feed them some of their own medicine and it is a bitter thing for the wealthy and privileged who for so long been in power, political and economic. Those assholes deserve Chavez.

 

I do know that his arrogance has emboldened the National Guard thugs to harass the middle class and visitors to Venezuela. This is a very, very dangerous situation.

 

It's not Venezuela, socialism or even Chavez we should fear, we should fear his thugs who act on Chavez's threats. They are the equals of the right wing thugs that came before them.

 

The right wing and Chavez deserve one another.

 

Be good to your fellow human being and share your food with him in brotherhood. If not, he will remember you did not help him and when the tables are turned, he will not help you. He may, in fact, come to kill you.

 

Hmm I wonder if its part of the the democratic process to take over media and private business??

[Dechristo]

They and we can and do give away our voice of democracy, from It's original SHOUT, to whisper, to an ineffectual background noise that is not heard by those "in power".

[ivan]

...stupid, clueless cunt...

C'mon, show some class.

 

Class? Like using a child's death for a political campaign of personal destruction, engaging in a seditious game of anti-Americanism, meeting with despicable dictators who are actively trying to undermine us? That kind of class?

i'll call you an asshole not for questioning her politics, but her honesty - do you seriously think she's using her dead son as an excuse for pursuing her political goals? disagree w/ her all you want - but she does have a geniune complaint. i can't say that her chilling w/ chavez is classy, but refusing to accept her son's death in a wrongful war is.

[Seahawks]

...stupid, clueless cunt...

C'mon, show some class.

 

Class? Like using a child's death for a political campaign of personal destruction, engaging in a seditious game of anti-Americanism, meeting with despicable dictators who are actively trying to undermine us? That kind of class?

i'll call you an asshole not for questioning her politics, but her honesty - do you seriously think she's using her dead son as an excuse for pursuing her political goals? disagree w/ her all you want - but she does have a geniune complaint. i can't say that her chilling w/ chavez is classy, but refusing to accept her son's death in a wrongful war is.

 

Alot of people in the US thought WWII was a wrongful war too. Who defines wrongful war? The Dem's just want to claim it wrongful now to gain politically. They all felt it was justified at the time.

Edited June 1, 2007 by Seahawks

[mattp]

They all felt it was justified at the time.

 

Nope, they didn't.

 

Senate: 77-23; House: 296-133.

 

Further, even if all of them thought it was justified "at the time" it would not necessarily follow that the war was in fact just.

 

Can we read that quote from Hilary Clinton again?

 

 

[Seahawks]

They all felt it was justified at the time.

 

Nope, they didn't.

 

Senate: 77-23; House: 296-133.

 

Further, even if all of them thought it was justified "at the time" it would not necessarily follow that the war was in fact just.

 

Can we read that quote from Hilary Clinton again?

 

 

Well since we live in a democracy and the vote looks a little lopsided I would say they thought the war at the time was justified.

[ivan]

why must it always be a semantics argument? "wrong" is a personal label, as are all words. ultimately, whether this is a just or unjust war will depend upon the people who look at it (how will it be taught in history classes, 200 years from now i wonder? will it be in the same category as sand-creek and wounded knee, i wonder?) - it's simplest i suppose to defer to the majority though in choosing a label - on dec 8, 1941, there was an incredibly small minority opposed to war w/ japan - in march of 2003, america as a whole was much more uncertain. there were huge protests immediately. 4 years later, a very large chunk of america, likely a majority, would label this war as unjust.

 

again, wtf is there this cyncism as to motive? who gives a shit why sheehan or the democrats are opposed to the war? the point is, do they have a point? is this in fact a just war? at any rate, while i'm a jaded asshole, i'm not so far gone that i think a grieving mother and a large # of democrats are opposed to the war simply so they can get their faces in the papers. they are geniulely opposed to it - deal w/ their arguments then, not their motives.

[Dechristo]

my problem is not with the grief in the loss of a child, but in her refusal to honor her adult son's decision.

 

It seems like another case of a tragedy requiring someone to blame.