E-rock Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) This particular vaccine is for a very specific STD which can lead to Cervical Cancer. You can only get it from sex. So if you choose not to have sex....then you are not at risk, the exposure is not there. You should not be force to place this Vaccine/drug into your body. Its all about money. Don’t you all get it? The Vaccine Company has a guarantee on one PAID vaccine pure child. Guaranteed on the law in Texas. That is a pretty good motive for making it law in Texas….wouldn’t you think? Clearly you don't know a fucking thing about HPV, its risks, what a woman goes through when she contracts the strain which causes cervical displasia (it AIN'T pleasant), how quickly the push to develop this vaccine occurred in the US, or how much support its development had in the last 5 years from various women's health advocacy groups. All it's about to you is BIG GUVMENT telling you what to do. And you know what? They're not telling you what to do because your DICK isn't going to fall off (which is kind of too bad) from an easily transmitted, yet highly avoidable disease, that most people aren't very educated about (which is REALLY too bad). Edited February 5, 2007 by E-rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 Clearly you don't know a fucking thing about HPV, its risks, what a woman goes through when she contracts the strain which causes cervical displasia (it AIN'T pleasant), how quickly the push to develop this vaccine occurred in the US, or how much support its development had in the last 5 years from various women's health advocacy groups. All it's about to you is BIG GUVMENT telling you what to do. And you know what? They're not telling you what to do because your DICK isn't going to fall off (which is kind of too bad) from an easily transmitted, yet highly avoidable disease, that most people aren't very educated about (which is REALLY too bad). Hey Erock…..ever considered decalf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I know its complicated for you but simple statistics: Take two groups of 10,000 11 year old girls. Give one group the vaccine and do not vaccine the control. Prevalence of HPV in American population is roughly 30% so of the control, 3000 will get HPV and of the vaccinated group, none. Now if the fatality rate from cervical cancer is 2%, 60 of the 3000 will die from the cervical cancer. Deaths from cervical cancer in the vaccinated group, none. Therefore the parents of those 60 dead women are culpable in their deaths by refusing to have them given the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 BTW HPV affects men too Kevbone. Maybe if you got the vaccine it would get rid of your nasty warts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hey Erock…..ever considered decalf? Yeah, why buy decow when you can get decalf for free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I think Kevbone would prefer delamb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Kevbone, Parents can pretty easily opt-out of the program if they don't want their kids to be vaccinated, so it isn't really mandatory. No one would support a truly mandatory (punishment of jail time or something for noncompliance) vaccination program. The reason that I support making this vaccine "mandatory" is that insurance companies only pay for "mandatory" vaccines. At ~$60 a shot, three shots required, it's fairly expensive and most people won't get it if their insurance doesn't cover it. This is one of the most effective vaccines ever developed. It pretty much prevents cervical cancer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 I know its complicated for you but simple statistics: Take two groups of 10,000 11 year old girls. Give one group the vaccine and do not vaccine the control. Prevalence of HPV in American population is roughly 30% so of the control, 3000 will get HPV and of the vaccinated group, none. Now if the fatality rate from cervical cancer is 2%, 60 of the 3000 will die from the cervical cancer. Deaths from cervical cancer in the vaccinated group, none. Therefore the parents of those 60 dead women are culpable in their deaths by refusing to have them given the vaccine. G-spotter. Thanks for the stats....does it include nuns? Those who dont have sex... Just one more question: Do you think the new law is a good idea? Yes or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 Parents can pretty easily opt-out of the program Thanks for your input Alpinfox. But coming from a new parent who is not vaccinating my newborn…..”easily opting out” is really not that easy. I have run into snags all along the way. We knew this going into it….so I am not complaining about our decision. But it is not easy to tell the daycare who will only take vaccinated children to go to hell. I suspect the same difficulties coming from Texans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 You'd be surprised how many nuns have sex 8D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 You'd be surprised how many nuns have sex 8D OMG! Pix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 I take it you are not going to come right out and answer the question? Do you agree with this law? By not answering, this tells me all your drivel you posted was only to spray, not to be insightful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 You haven't given me any good reasons to disagree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 I don't understand why you are up in arms about this, kevbone. It sounds as if you think this will be the first mandatory vaccine ever, or something. But it's not. For example, Texas requires "mandatory" polio vaccines (allowing for various exemptions for personal/religious reasons). If you are against the mandatory HPV vaccine, then you should also be complaining about mandatory polio vaccines, etc. Are you? Do you support repealing all vaccination requirements entirely? Or only HPV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 KEVBEENBONED, obviously i'm having a discussion with someone who is sans brains, but why on earth would you deny your children the protection afforded by 21st century medical advances???? WTF is wrong with you??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 some people should just not reproduce if they can't do it responsibly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayB Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Parents can pretty easily opt-out of the program Thanks for your input Alpinfox. But coming from a new parent who is not vaccinating my newborn…..”easily opting out” is really not that easy. I have run into snags all along the way. We knew this going into it….so I am not complaining about our decision. But it is not easy to tell the daycare who will only take vaccinated children to go to hell. I suspect the same difficulties coming from Texans I'll put the "never try to reason a man out of something he wasn't reasoned into" philosophy into practice here and simply ask what your primary area of expertise is and how you came arrived at this decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 You haven't given me any good reasons to disagree with it. Is that a yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 KEVBEENBONED, obviously i'm having a discussion with someone who is sans brains, but why on earth would you deny your children the protection afforded by 21st century medical advances???? WTF is wrong with you??? I challenge you to find it anywhere in this thread that states I want to deny my children anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Shoe's on the other foot now, Kevbone. How does it feel? I think Dru meant what he said. Perhaps the word "allow" would be better than "want". Lot's of parents are in denial about the possibility that their precious offspring might actually have sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 Shoe's on the other foot now, Kevbone. How does it feel? Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chris Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Kevbone, HPV is the most prevalent and easily transmitted STD in the world. Over a 130 different types have been identified - and only 30 of them are transmitted solely through intercourse (that means the other 100 types are transmitted by contact). Its believed that at least 75% of women will contract at least one type of HPV by adulthood (Baseman and Koutsky, 2005). The second most common form of cancer in women is cervical cancer. Greater than 90% of all cervical cancer cases have been linked to HPV infections. In 2006, cervical cancer was expected to have a 40% mortality rate. The cost of the vaccination - what, $180-360? - is definitely cheaper than the cost of monitoring an HPV infection for abnormal cervical cells in quarterly and bi-annual PAP smears, the cost of coloposcopy biopsies, the cost of a LEEP procedure, and all the follow up visits that attend this. Not to mention the cost of diagnosing and then treating cervical cancer. Not to mention the emotional costs of loosing a loved one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hey, I see you are posing a serious question about something which sounds important to you. I have a question back at you. Why would anyone want to discuss a serious issue of your choosing on this board when you have consistently crapped all over other people's serious topics with your dimwitted banter even when they asked you to stop? toughguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted February 6, 2007 Author Share Posted February 6, 2007 I believe all of what you said. I just want the choice to give it to my family without having opt - out for religious reasons. It should be a choice, like all vaccines. I know I will get shit for saying that, but oh well....this is America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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