This is TOO much!

[RemoWilliams]

[tvashtarkatena]

Bee-yooo-dee-ful.

 

"This is really routine when any sort of situation like this arises, so we're prepared," Carolyn Haggard said.

 

Uh...I think that's the problem.

 

Perhaps he was just 'testing his faith'.

[underworld]

so gay marriage is ok, but not gay sex

extramarital affairs are wrong, unles it's clinton

 

since this is a combination of the above...watch out!

[G-spotter]

not practicing what you preach is always hypocritical

hypocrites are evil

[underworld]

umm.. well..yeah... exactly

[tvashtarkatena]

Gay sex and marriage, for that matter, is fine...unless you're the leader of a 30 MILLION member organization that is actively working to make it illegal for everyone else.

 

Those evangelicals just can't keep their blessed fingers out of the adolescent/cheap prostitute/Chippendale dancer cookie jar. Perhaps if they had wive's that didn't consider 2 hours of makeup removal a form of foreplay, they'd stay home more.

[ClimbingPanther]

Quote from the male prostitute:

"I cried many nights; I got sick tormenting myself about whether I should do this," he said. "I finally had to come to peace with myself. ... I had to do the moral thing."

 

 

Seriously guys, don't string the pastor up just yet. We don't know the whole story. Maybe he is a hypocrite, but don't call him one until we know he is one.

[tvashtarkatena]

Name one instance where a high profile evangelical was accused of unseemly behavior: sex with prostitutes, tax evasion, etc...and it WASN'T true. Just one.

 

I'm waiting...

[underworld]

well that's convincing....he MUST be guilty then.

[Dechristo]

Maybe he is a hypocrite, but don't call him one until we know he is one.

We are ALL hypocrites.

 

 

Name one instance where a high profile evangelical was accused of unseemly behavior: sex with prostitutes, tax evasion, etc...and it WASN'T true. Just one.

 

I'm waiting...

Me. I was accused of evasive behavior with a tax prostitute. Her name was I.R. Ass.

 

it just wasn't true

[underworld]

Maybe he is a hypocrite, but don't call him one until we know he is one.

We are ALL hypocrites.

 

so if you SAY you're a hypocrite...does that mean you do or don't do hypocritical things

[ClimbingPanther]

We are ALL hypocrites.

I don't know if I'd use that word, but definitely all of us don't act in accordance with our own beliefs and values 100% of the time. Hypocrite goes a little farther than our innate imperfection and implies a lifestyle of saying one thing and doing another

[miladugga]

If true, it's wierder than being a hypocrite, it's got a self-hating, self-denial aspect that's pretty out there. And it keeps happening- as with Catholic priests, etc. supressing sex seems to make people act out in strange ways. It's not nice to try to fool Mother Nature!

[Dechristo]

are you saying you're never hypocritical?

[JayB]

I'm beginning to think that this is a job requirement for leading a large evangelical congregation. Makes you wonder if some component of the zeal and drive necessary to fill that kind of a role comes from a vivid sense of one's own shortcomings in this regard. No one that I'm aware of lives in perfect accordance with the principles that they espouse - but the reality is is that if you hold yourself up as a model your own life had better be beyond reproach except for the occaisional speeding ticket or overdue tax return. If the allegations of getting cranked-out on meth before the trysts is true then this guy will succeed in reducing both Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker to bat-boys in the big-leagues of self-inflicted evangeloplosion.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

I'm beginning to think that this is a job requirement for leading a large evangelical congregation. Makes you wonder if some component of the zeal and drive necessary to fill that kind of a role comes from a vivid sense of one's own shortcomings in this regard. No one that I'm aware of lives in perfect accordance with the principles that they espouse - but the reality is is that if you hold yourself up as a model your own life had better be beyond reproach except for the occaisional speeding ticket or overdue tax return. If the allegations of getting cranked-out on meth before the trysts is true then this guy will succeed in reducing both Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker to bat-boys in the big-leagues of self-inflicted evangeloplosion.

 

uh,yeah, except there are thousands and thousands of pastors and only a handful of these cases a year.

[fear_and_greed]

"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true. He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation," the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver.

 

A confession is good enough for me.

 

Church member E.J. cox ,(maybe is was the fluffer) 25, called the claims "ridiculous."

[Jim]

uh,yeah, except there are thousands and thousands of pastors and only a handful of these cases a year.

 

But these loudmouths are the ones with multi-million dollar organizations they use to trash talk the same people they are "involved' with. Fricking bible thumpers.

Edited November 3, 2006 by Jim

[Dechristo]

"Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;

The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,

And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;

But there is no joy in Mudville—mighty Casey has struck out."

[Dechristo]

But these loudmouths are the ones with multi-million dollar organizations they use to trash talk the same people they are "involved' with. Fricking bible thumpers.

 

yeah! Kinda like those that promote Tolerance, but are tolerant of their brand of tolerance only.

 

Bastards!

[Dechristo]

Hypocrites!

[Dave_Schuldt]

IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS!!!!!1

Too bad Frank Zappa isn't around to write songs about it.

[prole]

I'm beginning to think that this is a job requirement for leading a large evangelical congregation. Makes you wonder if some component of the zeal and drive necessary to fill that kind of a role comes from a vivid sense of one's own shortcomings in this regard. No one that I'm aware of lives in perfect accordance with the principles that they espouse - but the reality is is that if you hold yourself up as a model your own life had better be beyond reproach except for the occaisional speeding ticket or overdue tax return. If the allegations of getting cranked-out on meth before the trysts is true then this guy will succeed in reducing both Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Baker to bat-boys in the big-leagues of self-inflicted evangeloplosion.

 

Don't forget Jerry!

 

From the Guardian:

Jerry Falwell, a prominent conservative Christian and Republican party loyalist, sought to play down Mr Haggard's importance.

 

"He (Haggard) doesn't really lead the (evangelical) movement. ... He is the president of an association that is very loosely knit and I've never been a member of it," Mr Falwell told CNN.

[G-spotter]

Let's put it this way - there would be no hypocrisy and no complaints if a Pope of the Church of the Subgenius was doing the same thing!

 

[Dechristo]

with a surname of "Falwell", one needs to be careful.