olyclimber Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 ya, anarchy! everybodies doing it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 ya, an archy! everybodies doing it! Â how indelicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 you're going to burn in hell for that one. seriously. she presides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 If climbing is banned, then only outlaws will climb  IF THIS THREAD IS LOCKED, THEN EVERYONE WILL MOVE ON! (Whoops, did I forget to log on as ALLCAPS again? Silly me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmuja Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 If climbing is banned, then only outlaws will climb   Or.., if climbing is banned then the national parks lose an important demigraphic of support and are maybe that much closer to becoming a golf coarse or condo spread. Stupid actions beget stupid reactions, and in the age of instant karma we need to be smarter than Potter.  Its,, its!!! Its almost like everything is conected to everything else! And, and that everyones actions effect everyone else!! Whoa dudes... I can see everything happening all at once!! Yeeeaaaaiiii!!!  BTW the last 'badass' is Becky so everyone else should give up the posing, they just look silly anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 there a still a few badasses out there. you don't have to be the first one to climb something to be the badass (not that i'm saying beckey isn't one) Â i can say this because definitively, if spray were summits, I would be badass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 ya, an archy! everybodies doing it! how indelicate you're going to burn in hell for that one. seriously. she presides. Â you wrote it. you da one gonna get burnt. oh, the inhumanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 log it, burn it, pave it, then boulder it. End of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 she knows i would never Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 sounds like pleading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 she knows i would never  what? damage her delicate arch?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 there is a little of that in every post on this board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 This is so headed for Spray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 that's bleating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrythellama Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 I love how mistere tries to be the ethics police, yet he has rap bolted routes, which is equal to shitty ethics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Rap bolting is not shitty ethics, instead its the sign if a smart climber, most climbs that require bolts that were put up on lead are poorly protected. Rapping is the only way to be sure the bolt goes in the right place, the best route are TR first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dechristo Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Rap-bolting remains an issue of personal & situational ethics. Personally, I've placed bolts on rappell after onsighting routes and deciding if and where a bolt should be placed; any other way, I don't understand how best placement can be decided in route development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 It's awesome to see some people talk about something other than Dean causing us access problems. The one's that are causing us access problems is the Park Rangers that are anti-climber ...I give Dean a thumbs up . Â I want to see some video of his climb. That looks awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcoe Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 It's awesome to see some people talk about something other than Dean causing us access problems. The one's that are causing us access problems is the Park Rangers that are anti-climber ...I give Dean a thumbs up . I want to see some video of his climb. That looks awesome!  Controlling rangers  Dean, who normally rules: for this one   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 I love how mistere tries to be the ethics police, yet he has rap bolted routes, which is equal to shitty ethics. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 They are going to do a news story on this on All Things Considered (NPR) in about five minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Gauthier Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 All Things Considered , June 2, 2006 ·  They have a picture of damage rock, here's the story. Outside did a more extensive write up, I'll post that next.   The Delicate Arch, a fixture of Utah's Arches National Park, may have suffered irreparable damage in a recent climb, park officials say. Climber Dean Potter, who admits to climbing the arch, says he is not the first to do so. But park officials -- and Potter's sponsor -- are concerned.  Karen McKinlay-Jones, the Arches park's acting chief ranger, told Outside magazine that they are monitoring Delicate Arch for any harm done to it, with "a priority over everything except life and limb." The park's superintendent, Joss, added, "If there is damage to Delicate Arch, that is of grave concern to us."  Although there were no explicit regulations banning climbers from taking on the arch when Potter made his attempt, officials say it was an unwritten rule. Visitor guidebooks often suggest that climbers should avoid unique structures that have been named.  The issue is complicated by other concerns, as well. The first is "clean climbing," an ethic that has grown along with the sport. Its adherents do their best not to damage the rocks they climb, by hammering in pitons or other tools. But on eroded sandstone, even ropes can leave gouges if they're tight enough.  After Potter's climb, Outside sent a photographer and reporter to the scene in an attempt to get to the bottom of the story. And the Patagonia outdoor-wear company, one of Potter's main sponsors, has added its voice to the discussion, urging Potter to apologize.  A company spokesman told Outside magazine it opposes acts that damage any natural setting, and it will likely reevaluate its relationship with Potter if it turns out his climb damaged the formation.  Potter says he took all precautions to ensure no damage was done. Melissa Block talks with Potter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike_Gauthier Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 It's an interesting read... more details... Â http://outside.away.com/outside/features/200606/dean-potter-delicate-arch-climb-1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 Yo moderators - can we break this into a new thread from post #577823 (Mike's first post about the new article). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Good grief, doesn't anyone else think this whole fuss is absurd and bizarre. Coal companies are grinding up entire mountain ranges. Glaciers are rapidly melting away. Forests are being felled around the world. Meanwhile you're all freaked out about how someone touched a particular rock in a certain way. The planet is being overwhelmed by insane and superstitious ape-locusts. Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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