Squid Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) I was reading about a workshop put together by the Southern California Mountaineers Association . Essentially, it's a bunch of climbs they've compiled as to-do list for newbies. "Do these 5.7's, and when you're comfortable with those, move on and do these 5.8's." I doubt I'm doing the concept justice- follow the link and it will be explained much better. If you were putting together a similar list for Washington climbers, what would be your 10 nominations for each grade? The only restrictions would be a)trad routes only and b)located somewhere in Washington (the area that extends as far north as Squamish and as far south as Smith, as far east as Frenchman's Coulee). Single pitch routes are better for our pedagogical purposes. Edited November 24, 2005 by Squid Quote
Blake Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 here are a few, not 10 of each. 5.6 Cat Crack (Squamish) 5.7 Undercover (Erie) 5.8 - Free For all (Beacon) Classic Crack (Leavenworth)Springboard (Erie) 5.9 - Godzilla, Roger's Corner, Princely Ambitions (Index) Penny Lane (Squamish) Damnation Crack (Leavewnorth) 5.10a Air Guitar (Vantage) Breakfast of Champs (Index)Cocaine Crack (Leavenworth) 5.13c City Park (Index) - Don't think this grade will be too crowded. Quote
olyclimber Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Good idea Squid. You guys keep working on it and I'll document this one for the front page on the new board. Quote
eric8 Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 here you go mostly classics because those are the only names i can remeber without a guidebook infront of me 5.8 GNS Fist Crack Dogleg Crack thin hand Classic Crack hand Eds Jam Tarus finger crack and Chimney Canary pitch 1 South face of jello tower 5.9 Heart of Country Fist Crack Toxic shock/lieback start Up up and away (pennylane) hand Princy ambitions face finger crak Pennylane hand Damnation fist stem Godzilla varies Moonshine Dihedral stem 1st pitch of davis holland The Bone 5.10- Breakfast of champions (H) Arrowroot (F) karate crack (H) Split Beaver (fist-ow) Brass balls (roofs, hand, fist, finger) Sagittarius (fist) Exotic dancer (stem) A swingin affair (hand) The zipper (thin finger) 2nd pitch of Davis Holland (thin hand) last pitch of narrow arrow direct(OW) 5.10+ (yikes these mostly all thin finger cracks) sloe children f thin fingers h the 10d finger crack right of purejoy at tieton leap of faith thin h 1st pitch of lamplighter chimney face zoom thin crack/face Debs crack(haven’t actually climbed it) thin 3rd 10d pitch of narrow arrow direct everything Smut face Quote
olyclimber Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 nice Eric. Anyone have anything to add? Quote
Cobra_Commander Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 you gotta stick some smith gorge climbs in there, great pro, sustained 10a gruff, cruel sister, mantra, quasar 10b badfinger, wildfire, cornercopia 10c prometheus, last chance, morning star 11a on the road Quote
TrogdortheBurninator Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) 5.6 Left Side Mounties Dome Barney's Rubble Crack 5.7 Clamshell Crack (LW) .9 Inca Roads (Testpiece 5.9 everything IMO) Tangled up in blue Intro to 10a fingers Flying Circus Erics list is pretty comprehensive Edited November 24, 2005 by TrogdortheBurninator Quote
MisterMo Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 nice Eric. Anyone have anything to add? Might as well list all the 8 mile cracks since you're there, eh? Deception, Right Forking. Left Forking, Nauseous Also, mebbe: Givlers Dome, Madsen's Squeeze Chimney, COD at Castle Rock Do people climb at the crag at the outwash of Rat Creek anymore or is it a victim of Private Property? Quote
Jason_Martin Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 Perhaps the better way to do this would be to keep routes in a given area together. That way a person will be able to work on a number of routes in their grade. I actually tried to do the J-Tree workshop for awhile. In theory it brings you up to 5.12 trad. The problem with it is that things are so spread out. You go and do a route on the list and then just hang out where that route was for the rest of the day. Jason Quote
olyclimber Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 This is cool Perhaps I can make a view similiar to the trip report index where you can sort the based on location, difficulty, and quality? We're not looking to write a guidebook here, just the best for the grade for learning, in keeping with Squid's original idea. I'll investigate how I can get this done from the technical side of things, keep them coming but if you can, list the 1. location 2. difficulty 3. quality (your call on it) Quote
whoohoonickieclimbs Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 I would really appreciate that list - olyclimber! Quote
eric8 Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 well if you replace the two smith routes, moonshine and karake crack with madsons chimney and crack of doom mentioned by mistermo. Then the list is basically index and leavenworth with one weekend of climbing at squamish and one weekend of climbing at tieton. Won't be to hard to make it exculsively index and leavenworth either. That said i wonder if having a list is going to make a difference for people. The good climbers i know usually just get effing stoked about climbing and are always coming up with there own projects to challenge them. And whole thing in the jtree was on redpointing routes, which i guess is fine. But onsighting is way cooler. I know that i had to lead way more than 10 10- routes before i got my first 10c onsight. Quote
Blake Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 I think it'd be better than have a few routes from all over. Erie, Index, Tieton, Vantage, 11Worth, and Beacon. Quote
Drederek Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 5.8 sf Jello tower, jam exam, slot machine 5.9 wf picaboo tower (mixed pro), Inca Roads 10- exasperator, sunblessed, Orange Sunshine 10 p1 lovin arms, Pure Joy, wildcat crack, Split Pillar Quote
lancegranite Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 The Beckey/ Cinnabon route on the SW rib,right next to the left facing corner that borders the NE face of the South Early Wine Spire....Viva Cinnabon!!! Quote
cman Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 i'll have to second CC on the gorge. i did my first climbing down there this fall, cruel sister and a few others, and it is awesome, sustained pure crack. a must visit on your workshop tour. also tieton should be on your list for gear placement. i find the placements tricky because of the variable size of the cracks. if you can lead pure joy then you have completed the workshop. Quote
chris Posted November 26, 2005 Posted November 26, 2005 This isn't a new concept - Jim Bridwell wrote an article in the 1970's about benchmark climbs in the Valley. If you could do all the 5.9's listed, then you were a solid 5.9 climber to the Bird's standards. But the article is long and I'm not cut-and-pasting it here. Do a google search with "bridwell brave new world" and you should find a copy out in cyberspace. Reading his article inspred me to cull through the index posts and write up a "classics" list. Please note that all the grades and comments were not made by me. Index Cracks: 5.8 p1 Even Steven p1 that approach pitch to GNS, forget its name - wide p1 GM Private Idaho "5.9" - these are all pretty real for 5.9s Toxic Shock p1 Jap Gardens Godzilla Rogers Corner p1 Davis Holland Battered Sandwich 5.10a p2 GM -> Heart of the Country as one pitch sinker great practice for Thin Fingers! Breakfast of Champions - more great practice for Thin Fingers! The Zipper (P1) 10 "5.10a" Libra Crack - thin hands! Saggitarius - long pitch with everything! Breakfast of champions 10- hard 5.10 Davis-Holland on UTW Godzilla p2 and Slow Children Thin Fingers (I dont think its 11a at all, sorry) Slow childern 10+ Narrow arrow direct 10+ 5.11 Even Steven, upper Iron Horse others I am not good enough to climb Marginal karma 11- Quote
Squid Posted November 26, 2005 Author Posted November 26, 2005 Cool- thanks to everyone for you suggestions so far; this is great. I'm still waiting for lists from some of the 'more mature' crankmeisters (PeterP, MisterE, Pope, ChucK, etc). I'd like to assemble a ticklist that's functional for Seattle area climbers- focused on Index, 11orth, Tieton & Vantage, but with significant inclusions from Squish, Smith, & Skaha for a change of pace & to give exposure to different types of climbing. It may be that this entire concept is futile & useless, but I suspect that more than a few people would find a progression like this useful, even if only as a source of inspiration. Quote
EWolfe Posted November 27, 2005 Posted November 27, 2005 (edited) Add to Index: 5.9: Beak, Beak, Beak 5.10+: Dr. Sniff & the Tuna Boaters 5.11: Japanese Gardens, Centerfold 5.11+: Clay Leavenworth: 5.8: Old Gray Mare, 5.9: Mary Jane Dihedral, Yellowbird, Straight Street, Celestial Groove 5.10: Easter Overhang (o/w), MF Overhang, Off Duty Edited November 27, 2005 by MisterE Quote
bigwalling Posted November 27, 2005 Posted November 27, 2005 I always thought Plum Pudding seemed hard for the grade. In fact it made Godzilla look like 5.8 or so. Maybe it is because I didn't touch the tree in it? Never done the upper Model Worker, but the lower part is no crack climbin really. At least not near 11. Really good climb and probably way better when doing the whole thing. What is Free Range Chock?? Quote
curtveld Posted November 28, 2005 Posted November 28, 2005 I always thought Plum Pudding seemed hard for the grade. In fact it made Godzilla look like 5.8 or so. Maybe it is because I didn't touch the tree in it? I think you’ve touched into a pitfall in building a stepladder list – grading inconsistencies. If some cranks a couple of Squamish 5.9s and decides to step up, they’re in for a shock if they choose an Index 5.10a like Pisces or Breakfast of Champs - which are really 3-4 letter grades harder. Not saying whether Squamish or Index ratings are right, but if you want to mix them, you need to adjust for such differences. Quote
slaphappy Posted November 28, 2005 Posted November 28, 2005 Here's what I think is a fairly comprehensive Leavenworth list. I eliminated a few of the above routes cause they have bolts or they are more of a multi pitch affair or I just think they suck . I'm sure I missed a few good ones from lack of knowledge (or memory...) and I definately know of a few that aren't in the most current guide that should be included. I did down rate a few (one grade) to keep it more consistant. A few are multi pitch but most have a quality first pitch at the given rating, others like the R&D just simply should be included. You'll notice a serious decline after 11- cause, um, well, that shizzle is gettin too hard for my old ass... 5.5 Midway- multi Saber- multi Notch Route on Tumwater Tower- hands 5.6 R&D- multi Tree Route- multi The Fault- chimney, hands, fists, face Ground Hog Day- fingers, hands 5.7(+) Givler's Crack- mostly hands, fist Bob's 4th Crack- hands Roots Rock Reggae- hands P2 Rgular Route (Careno)- hands 5.8(+) Classic Crack- hands Dogleg Crack- tight hands, hands S Face Jello Tower- tight hands, hands, face Canary- hands Animal Farm- hands, fists, face Cloud Nine- hands, fists Catapult- hands, stemming Arselips and Elbows- chimney Spaghetti Sauce- hands The Arch- undercling, smearing P3 Regular Route (Careno)- stemming, hands 5.9(+) Celestial Groove- fingers, hands Ski Tracks Crack- hands Damnation Crack- lieback, fists Kitty Corner- lieback, stem, fingers, hands Yellowbird- fingers, hands, face The Bone- hands, heel hook, mantle Lightning Crack- hands Poison Ivy Crack- hands Deception Crack- thin hands, slick face Twin Cracks- thin hands Angel Crack- fingers, slick-as-snot feet Forking Crack- hands, face 5.10- Crack of Doom- hands, thin hands, face Brass Balls- fingers, off fingers, hands Cocaine Crack- fingers, hands Arms Control- fingers, hands Exotic Dancer- stemming, hands Meat Grinder- hands, fists Bo Derek- hands, face A Swingn' Affair- hands P3 Bale/Kramar- fingers, hands, fists Pearly Gates- fingers, chimney, hands 5.10+ MF Overhang- fingers, face The Nose- fingers, face Carnival Crack- OW Z-Crack- fingers, hands Deb's Crack- hands, fists Original Route on Warrior Wall- stemming, hands, face Shot Down in Flames- lieback, hands Leap of Faith- fingers, thin hands, face 5.11- Pumpline- fingers, thin hands MF Direct- fingers Divine Line- fingers Solar Power- fingers Air Roof- fingers, hands 5.11+ ROTC- thin hands, hands Lazy Boy- hands - Quote
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