glen Posted November 21, 2002 Posted November 21, 2002 Please take 30 seconds to vote on-line against snowmos in Yellowstone. It's a Helena Independent Record poll and they will do an editorial on the results. While public comment periods have resulted in overwhelming support (80%+) for banning snow machines, the local poll is currently at 65% in favor of them. Please log onto http://www.helenair.com/ then scroll down to vote on the right side to the poll. Then please pass this email onto any others who care about preserving the grandeur, beauty, and solitude of our first national park. [ 11-22-2002, 10:22 AM: Message edited by: glen ] Quote
Lambone Posted November 21, 2002 Posted November 21, 2002 I believe they have put a cap on the number of sleds permited in the park each day. I heard about it on NPR...but i can't remember how many, or when it will go into effect. I want to say 1,000 per day, and it goes into effect next year. Quote
freeclimb9 Posted November 21, 2002 Posted November 21, 2002 Gee glen, how often do you visit Yellowstone during winter? How are snowmachines impacting the "grandeur, beauty, and solitude" of Yellowstone for you during your visits? I'm down with the idea of imposing exhaust and noise regulations. And I support riding snowmachines in winter over the same roads that are traversed by cars and RVs during the summer. But I don't support a ban on an activity that's been going on for generations. Quote
COL._Von_Spanker Posted November 21, 2002 Posted November 21, 2002 They are also requiring that all rental snowmobiles are 4 stroke. Quote
Lambone Posted November 21, 2002 Posted November 21, 2002 True, Silver Chord is just the one documented in the guide book. I'm sure many of those falls could be much farther than 70 miles from the nearest access...wait what are we arguing about again Quote
gapertimmy Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 there is nothing more american than riding sleds, drinking schmidt, and littering in the backcountry. c'mon now, let the sleds stay! Quote
Scott_J Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 Thanks for the alert. I voted! and DFA you are a dip shit from the honey bucket well. Quote
Lambone Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 quote: Originally posted by gapertimmy: there is nothing more american than riding sleds, drinking schmidt, and littering in the backcountry. c'mon now, let the sleds stay! Tim, Ya know, I also like riding on snowmobiles, hell its fun as shit, and they get you places quick. The problem is the extent of unchecked snowmobile use within the park. Seriously, it's like a freeway in LA out there. With those kinds of numbers, the impact is just too great.It's bad for the environment, and for other park users who enjoy some peace and quiet. Quote
glen Posted November 22, 2002 Author Posted November 22, 2002 Sounds like you guys should vote "Yes". Quote
Lambone Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 freeclimb9, Not that Yellowstone is an untouched wilderness, but snowmobiles do have environmental impacts in Yellowstone, like afecting Bison migration patterns and such. And snowmobiles pollute much more than most cars. It's a touchy subject though, because the economy of towns like West Yellowstone are almost soley dependent on the Snowmoblie industry in the winter. And the Silver Chord (a sweet ice climb) can only be approached via snowmobile. Quote
rbw1966 Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 Only? Really? I'm tentatively planning to visit Hyalite and am interested in access information. I can't imagine an area a snowmobile can go that I cant access on skis, albeit at a greater disadvantage time-wise. Quote
Lambone Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 quote: Originally posted by rbw1966: Only? Really? I'm tentatively planning to visit Hyalite and am interested in access information. I can't imagine an area a snowmobile can go that I cant access on skis, albeit at a greater disadvantage time-wise. Silver Chord is in Yellowstone. You could ski in, but it would make it a overnight trip for sure, perhaps multiple nights. Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 This thread is totally spray. Glen gets two demerits for posting it in the climbing forum! Quote
freeclimb9 Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 There are 130 named waterfalls (stuff over 30' is considered a falls) in Yellowstone. Just maybe there's some ice to climb there. Approaches are up to 70 miles one way. Polaris 800 Pro X would work well. Quote
RobBob Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 Was this a one-day survey? The website is 'not found' this morning. quote: But I don't support a ban on an activity that's been going on for generations. Freeclimb, you must be talking about families whose branches are mighty close together on the family tree! Quote
Beck Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 snowmachines, great tool, two strokes entering the national parks in unlimited numbers, maybe not. Interestingly enough, the previuos administration was all set to ban two stroke technology in national parklands, but than an oilindustry admininistration stepped into office and the whole notion of "environmental stewardship" went out the window with the West Yellowstone/skidoo issues, the park staff was ready to file health and welfare suits with OSHA, the pollution at the winter gate is so bad. Quote
freeclimb9 Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 RobBob, commercially guided snowmobile trips were run out of Cody in the early 1950s. That's like 3.67 generations by Wyoming standards. Quote
RobBob Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 Gentlemen, start your engines...we're going to see Old Faithful! Quote
Lambone Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 quote: Originally posted by RobBob: Was this a one-day survey? The website is 'not found' this morning. quote: But I don't support a ban on an activity that's been going on for generations. Freeclimb, you must be talking about families whose branches are mighty close together on the family tree! RobBob, It doesn't work because glen put a coma in the end of the adress, delete the coma and it works. Quote
Cobra Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 quote: Originally posted by RobBob: Gentlemen, start your engines...we're going to see Old Faithful! Right on. Quote
glen Posted November 22, 2002 Author Posted November 22, 2002 Shit, that looks like a scene from "King of the Hill" Quote
Dru Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 probably the only time 7 straight men from wyoming or wherever the hell jellystone is, will ever daisy chain [ 11-22-2002, 02:07 PM: Message edited by: Dru ] Quote
SEF Posted November 22, 2002 Posted November 22, 2002 This story is just another example of the motorized recreation friendly Bush Administration reversing the direction of Department of the Interior that had recommended banning. Hardly a surprise. FYI, with the daily average number of snowmobiles entering Yellowstone at 840, the limit of 1,100 would affect only the volume of peak holiday usage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40711-2002Nov11.html Quote
iain Posted November 23, 2002 Posted November 23, 2002 quote: Originally posted by Dru: probably the only time 7 straight men from wyoming or wherever the hell jellystone is, will ever daisy chain coupla those guys are borderline butz to nutz Quote
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