allthumbs Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 Mr. Chips, That's cool, so isn't it about time to say something nice and even possibly supportive to Anna. She's probably not all that interested in your bravado and she already feels like shit. [ 11-01-2002, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: trask ] Quote
RuMR Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 ahhh trask...you're just trying to get a page tawp outta this aren't you Quote
allthumbs Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 , naw, not really. I just know when someone really feels shitty about something and we then proceed to pick and prod at the scab so's the wound won't heal. That's all. Quote
Anna Posted November 1, 2002 Author Posted November 1, 2002 I have absolutely no ego when it comes to climbing! Now flying on the other hand... Mister Chips, you probably have a lot of experience I'm sure, and it probably frustrates you when stupid people get off scott free...but I WAS humbled and I KNOW NOW I had no business there. I DO realize I do not have the experience necessary to tackle something like that again...that counts for something right? Thanks again ya'll for the support! Trask I'm flyin at 1430, come on down! Quote
RuMR Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 trask: I agree I think anna's more than whipped herself enough that there is no need for a dogpile. She'll be fine, though...that's my suspician...not knowing her, but rereading her initial posts, i think she knows what's up and will get a good base in one way or another via friends or, as Lambone suggested, professional instruction. My pop's an old air force pilot...so I can identify w/ her flying analogies as i heard them growing up. She'll get that checklist mentality going and there won't be any stopping her... SO, YOU WANNA RACE FOR ANOTHER PAGE TOP??? [ 11-01-2002, 01:53 PM: Message edited by: RuMR ] Quote
Pencil_Pusher Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 Jesus, tits, and casserole, this has turned into quite the soap opera. Who would've guessed lambone was going to put a plug in for VW here? Sheeeit, all Anna needs to do is give a wink and a smile to one of you horndog ropeguns and she'll get all the climbing experience she can handle. Quote
Mr._Chips Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 Anna, that does count for something, and Lambone is correct when he says technical skills can be learned while enthusiasm and a keen sense of adventure cannot, that was well said. You fly planes, me too. They are based on basic fundamental skills taught and learned early and implemented on EVERY flight, no matter how experienced the pilot. I am in no way trying to discourage you from climbing, only to try to send you in the right direction, getting some training and experience down to make the whole thing enjoyable again. Quote
Lambone Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 More of a plug for my buddies than VW, they get paid twice as much when teaching...and they are some of the best climbing instructors that I've ever met. I'd plug for myself, but I'm not doing that gym stuff anymore... Quote
Anna Posted November 1, 2002 Author Posted November 1, 2002 Ahh, Trask is on his best behavior cuz someone threatened to spank him if he misbehaves again. Enough of this now, I'm gonna go fly cuz these cold, clear conditions are great for aircraft performance! Cheers Quote
RuMR Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 Come on Trask...This is SERIOUS!! Ha i'm one step ahead of you...page 5 is around the corner vroom... Quote
Anna Posted November 1, 2002 Author Posted November 1, 2002 Lets fly sometime Mister Chips...now that is something I know quite a bit about, and love too....still training in a 152 though.... Quote
allthumbs Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 quote: Originally posted by RuMR: Come on Trask...This is SERIOUS!! Ha i'm one step ahead of you...page 5 is around the corner vroom... you're jumping the gun - relax Quote
Greg_W Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 Very good points Shredder. Personally, having climbed sight unseen with several .com climbers, I choose climbs I know I can handle (in case I have to lead the whole thing) or am very specific about my objectives. If I post that I am looking for a partner to climb Dreamer, for instance, I am implying that I am looking for someone up to the task of swapping leads on such a climb. In a cragging situation, like the one you were in, it may be wise to have a conversation beforehand on what everyone is comfortable leading at and their experience. I have no qualms about supplying this kind of information to potential partners as I want them to have just as enjoyable of a day as myself. Greg W Quote
Lambone Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 I think it's easy to tell the experienced from the newbies by the way people spray, although...I'm still tryin to figure out if trask actually climbs or not... Quote
Greg_W Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 quote: Originally posted by trask: does it really matter? Not really, but it's kind of like wondering if the carpet matches the drapes - inquiring minds want to know... Quote
Mr._Chips Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 Yes, that is a difficult one for sure. When you just meet someone you expect them to advise you of their skill and competency level with nothing less than the un-buttered truth. I know when I first climb with someone new I certainly don't jump on something that is at or above my skill level. Get to know the person, there will always be another day to climb with them and push things a little, that is of course if you get along and TRust them and they trust you in return. It kinda sounds like the 'sex on the first date' conversation, go all the way on the first meeting or hold off a while. Quote
mattp Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 Chips, you may be sensible to be cautious with a new partner but two of the best climbing experiences I have ever had were with partners I never met before and have not seen since. Sometimes you can go with your instinct and it works out. Quote
Mr._Chips Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 MattP, not to go against what I have said in my last post, I have to agree with you on the idea of acting and listening to instincts. There is so much truth to instinctive behaviour. I would not climb with Anna or fly with her either for that matter. She just said she knows SO MUCH about flying, BUT she is still training in a 152. RED FLAG. Quote
mvs Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 I have a friend, a solid 5.11 - 5.12 sport climber who swore off trad leading after a successful, but very shaky lead of Midway pitch one (Jello Tower). He'll always be able to climb way harder than I can, but the way this lead affected him underscores what a different game trad climbing is. That "5.5" pitch only becomes "casual" or "laughably easy" with experience. Glad you are O.K. Anna. I'd follow the advice to do lots of aiding, probably the best way to regain trust in your gear. --Michael Quote
DavidW Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 Ok...... I'll take a stab at jumping into this mess of wisdom and slander. I'm 47 years old and have been climbing since I was 17. At the end of my first year of climbing I clipped into a rappel I'd personally set up using equipment supplied by the school I attended in Switzerland. The rappel sling was tied incorrectly and I would have to say its my fault for not realizing it even tho I was a student. The sling didnt stay tied and I went 60', bounced off a ledge went another 20' and broke nearly every bone in my body.... severely fractured skull, several crushed vertabrae, split my pelvis in half and broke alot of other stuff that is somewhat less important. I got a pretty big lesson in infant mortality that day and my back still hurts 1/2 the time. (especially sitting in this chair all day reading these threads!) So Anna...... ask yourself what you want from climbing, read everything you can possibly get your hands on about gear placement, put them in the bathroom and read them over and over and over..... walk around your house looking for places to slot pro, learn to think gear. (the space between my refrigerator and the wall currently has a #8 hexcentric hanging there) Then find a supportive partner and pick leads you could probably solo and make a game of seeing how much pro you can possibly place. (ok ok... watch for rope drag too!) I've spent my whole life battling with the baggage from that day in 1973. It's been worth it.... climbing's brought me good health, the best of friends and a lifetime of great travels. Just make learning a priority and enjoy yourself with good company. Quote
iain Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 quote: Originally posted by DavidW: sling was tied incorrectly and I would have to say its my fault for not realizing it even tho I was a student same thing happened to that Exum guide last year, bad water knot coming undone when weighted...could happen to anyone not checking knots Quote
allison Posted November 1, 2002 Posted November 1, 2002 ....and if you ever get the chance, climb with this DavidW character. He's one of the most supportive and empathetic cats you could ever hope to share a rope with. Quote
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