Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Is anyone else waiting to find out that key elections nationwide were massively rigged? It's just baffling. Where does the support for this inept liar come from? How do people make a choice like this? Doesn't seem possible ... Quote
DPS Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 There are more stupid people in this country than smart people. Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Yes. Everyone that doens't agree with you is stupid. Keep going on through life like that. Really its a healthy outlook. Quote
ChrisT Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 The elections in Wash. were also a weird mixed bag of Dems of Reps...do we have a governor yet? Quote
jon Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 I was suprised that Bush is winning the popular vote by such a large margain, especially after losing it in 2000. Then I remembered the stupid people reproduce quicker. Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted November 3, 2004 Author Posted November 3, 2004 I was suprised that Bush is winning the popular vote by such a large margain, especially after losing it in 2000. Then I remembered the stupid people reproduce quicker. Maybe this is really why they want to ban abortion and birth control? Quote
chelle Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 No. We may not know who the governor is until after Thursday once the absentee are counted and it may come down to how the provisional ballots are counted up later this week and next. It boggles the mind that WA would vote for Kerry, but endorse the republican agenda by voting for Rossi. I don't care that there are legitimate criticisms of her performance as attonrney general. Rossi is a proxy for the republican religious right. I am keeping my fingers crossed on this one. Scott, STFU. I think the question DFA brings up is a valid one. I would like to know that the elections were fair and that people's votes were accurately counted. If they were conducted fairly great, then the populace has spoken. Do not blindly trust that nothing underhanded happened this time. I find it a bit suspicious that 6 months ago the CEO of Deibold told GWB that he would deliver OH for the republicans. His company was making voting machines, without paper trails at the time. And in Iowa, the republican observers were intimidating Native American voters (who mostly vote for democratic candidates)by taking down liscense plates and then Thune wins. Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Shut the Fuch up Michelle. If you go around asserting that anyone that doesn't believe what you do is stupid... and then can't even back that up you have got some serious fucking problems. How about you learn to speak like a lady. This is your chance to pretend to be on even if you can't act like one in real life Quote
John Frieh Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Treat people the way you want to be treated Scott. Shouldn't you be looking for bolts that don't exist? P.S. Myopic gender roles are dead. Quote
selkirk Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Not exactly on topic but interesting none-the less. There are some third world countries that do a better job running transparent elections than we do. Global monitors find faults By Thomas Crampton International Herald Tribune Wednesday, November 3, 2004 MIAMI The global implications of the U.S. election are undeniable, but international monitors at a polling station in southern Florida said Tuesday that voting procedures being used in the extremely close contest fell short in many ways of the best global practices. . The observers said they had less access to polls than in Kazakhstan, that the electronic voting had fewer fail-safes than in Venezuela, that the ballots were not so simple as in the Republic of Georgia and that no other country had such a complex national election system. . "To be honest, monitoring elections in Serbia a few months ago was much simpler," said Konrad Olszewski, an election observer stationed in Miami by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. . "They have one national election law and use the paper ballots I really prefer over any other system," Olszewski said. . Olszewski, whose democratic experience began with Poland's first free election in 1989, was one of 92 observers brought in by the Vienna-based organization, which was founded to maintain military security in Europe at the height of the cold war. . Two-member observer teams fanned out across 11 states and included citizens of 36 countries, ranging from Canada and Switzerland to Latvia, Kyrgyzstan, Slovenia and Belarus. . Formation of the U.S. election mission came after the State Department issued a standard letter on June 9 inviting the group to monitor the election. All 55 states in the organization have, since 1990, agreed to invite observation teams to their national elections. The decision to observe a U.S. presidential election for the first time was made because of changes prompted by controversy over the U.S. elections in 2000, involving George W. Bush and Al Gore. . "Our presence is not meant as a criticism," said Ron Gould, Olszewski's team partner and the former assistant chief electoral officer for Elections Canada. "We mainly want to assess changes taken since the 2000 election." . Speaking as voting began at 7 a.m. in the Firefighter's Memorial Hall for precincts 401 and 446 of Miami-Dade County, the observers drew sharp distinctions between U.S.-style elections and those conducted elsewhere around the world. . "Unlike almost every other country in the world, there is not one national election today," said Gould, who has been involved in 90 election missions in 70 countries. "The decentralized system means that rules vary widely county by county, so there are actually more than 13,000 elections today." . Variations in local election law not only make it difficult for election monitors to generalize on a national basis, but also prohibit the observers from entering polling stations at all in some states and counties. Such laws mean that no election observers from the organization are in Ohio, a swing state fraught with battles over voter intimidation and other polling issues. . As for electronic voting, Gould said he preferred Venezuela's system to the calculator-sized touchpads in Miami. . "Each electronic vote in Venezuela also produces a ticket that voters then drop into a ballot box," Gould said. "Unlike fully electronic systems, this gives a backup that can be used to counter claims of massive fraud." . Venezuela had trouble implementing the system, Gould added, because the ticket printers kept breaking down. . The United States is also nearly unique in lacking a unified voter registration system or national identity card, Gould said, adding that he would ideally require U.S. voters to dip a finger in an ink bowl or have a cuticle stained black after voting. . "In El Salvador, Namibia and so many other elections, the ink was extremely important in preventing challenges to multiple voting," Gould said. "In Afghanistan it didn't work so well, because they used the dipping ink for the cuticles, so it wiped right off." . To observe elections in Florida, Gould and his partner first stopped to meet state election officials in Tallahassee. . Their visit to Miami included failed attempts to witness election preparations at two polling stations on Monday evening. After a two-hour drive through heavy traffic, the observers found both polling stations deserted. . "In Venezuela we drove around to all the polling stations ahead of time to make sure this didn't happen," Gould said. "Here we consider studying the system more important than looking at actual voting." . Indeed, the team left the Miami polling station little more than half an hour after voting began to make a live interview scheduled on CNN. Media relations has become a major part of their mission, with reporters mobbing the monitors at every stop in Florida and a Japanese television crew from NTV tailing them across the state since Friday. . "There is a lot of interest in Japan where this election observation is seen as a kind of satire," said Fumi Kobayashi, the New York-based correspondent for NTV. "So strange to imagine Europeans coming to monitor elections in the U.S., don't you think?" . A selection of voters and election officials who were questioned as they left the Miami polling station said they mainly found the monitors reassuring. . "The United States has long been a model for the world," said Richard Williams, a poll watcher officially designated by the Democratic party. "If we allow international observers, we will continue to have a leading role." . Not everyone agrees. Jeff Miller, a Republican congressman from Florida, considers the monitors an insult and has publicly urged them to leave. "Get on the next plane out of the United States to go monitor an election somewhere else, like Afghanistan," he said. Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Treat people the way you want to be treated Scott. Shouldn't you be looking for bolts that don't exist? P.S. Myopic gender roles are dead. Not outside the pacific northwest. Have you ever been outside the pacific northwest NOLSEY? Quote
John Frieh Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Perhaps your myopic gender roles would explain why the closest you have come to touching a woman is a keyboard. Quote
John Frieh Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 And all NOLS mtneering instructor courses are ran in Wyoming. Just one of a few places I have been... Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 And all NOLS mtneering instructor courses are ran in Wyoming. Just one of a few places I have been... Wow you World traveller you! Quote
Off_White Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Chelle, Rossi is a charming and soft spoken man, his radical ideals are hidden behind a curtain of civility, but he presents as a very nice man. Gregoire comes off as an asshole, and I find her habit of taking credit for other's work while passing the buck for things gone wrong reprehensible. Still, I thought the issues were more important than personal style, and I didn't flinch when I punched the card for Gregoire. I do understand those who voted differently: twice as many democrats crossed over to vote for Rossi than republicans crossed over to vote for Gregoire. A significant number of very normal people cannot distinguish a difference between personality and policy. I think the real issue is that critical thinking is not a valued skill. Also, the native american voter intimidation, as well as the Thune-Daschle race, took place in South Dakota, not Iowa. South Dakota's presidential choice was never much in dispute. I think the question of Diebold electronic voter fraud will only come up if there is an internal whistleblower. It certainly suits my prediliction to believe in fraud, but I'm not confident it exists. I find it pretty easy to believe that our country is deeply divided, but perhaps a little more selfish than generous. Quote
cj001f Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Not outside the pacific northwest. Have you ever been outside the pacific northwest NOLSEY? Your quote shows how sheltered you are Harpell. Quote
Off_White Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 Oh, by the way, shut the fuck up Scotty you whiny bitch, you didn't even bother to go to college in this country. If you're going to act on your values and beliefs, you should enlist now. Maybe then you'll get some respect from the fascists you suck up to. By the way, Blackwater won't hire you unless you get some public funded training from the US Military. Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted November 3, 2004 Author Posted November 3, 2004 I already did enlist asshole. "to end terror it takes a special skill KILL KILL KILL 'til there's nothing left to kill! pull on the trigger with heart and soul 'cause war is peace, now we know" Quote
Off_White Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 I already did enlist asshole. Awesome. Hope you survive to pull down the big bucks working for private security. Of course, you may wind up working for Shell Oil rather than the US Government, but it's all good. Quote
Lionel_Hutz Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 I already did enlist asshole. in what? Inquiring minds want to know... Quote
scott_harpell Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 I already did enlist asshole. in what? Inquiring minds want to know... OCS Quote
Lionel_Hutz Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 I already did enlist asshole. in what? Inquiring minds want to know... branch? OCS Quote
minx Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 yes, leave it to scott to not actually answer the question. Quote
Off_White Posted November 3, 2004 Posted November 3, 2004 I already did enlist asshole. in what? Inquiring minds want to know... OCS By which I assume you mean Officer Candidate School with the Marine Corps, rather than Overseas Courier Service or Oregon Climate Service, both of which pop up higher on Google. Do effete college educated officers still get fragged by the grunts? Be careful out there. I'd have expected you to try for Special Forces, Green Beret, or SEALS. I guess you're not confident of making the cut. Quote
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