Boston Globe - Bush went AWOL

[JGowans]

Well, we have a 20 year career as a bench-rider in Congress with which to judge Kerry.

 

Couple of things Greg. First is that I don't know of any criminal charge against Kerry. Second is that on the whole, Kerry seems like a far more interesting character than Bush. He played guitar, released an album with his buddies, went to war, does kite-boarding, snow boarding, cycling etc.

 

My last point has bugger all to do with the election but whatever.

[Greg_W]

First is that I don't know of any criminal charge against Kerry.

 

Well, he is an admitted war criminal. I think he performed a citizen's arrest on himself and placed himself in protective custody.

[Peter_Puget]

Hmm interesting thread. Wonder where it will end up..

link

[Off_White]

That's an interesting link Peter, they certainly make a good case for those documents being forgeries. If you run across more on this in the coming days, I wouldn't mind being apprised of it.

[cracked]

http://fecesflingingmonkey.com/

[willstrickland]

I would re-visit those forgery allegations, particularly in Peter's link above (the site has been updated 4 times since PP originally posted the link). The allegations seem to be falling apart a bit.

[Jim]

Hmm interesting thread. Wonder where it will end up..

link

 

from commandpost.org

[lummox]

Kerry seems like a far more interesting character than Bush. He played guitar, released an album with his buddies, went to war, does kite-boarding, snow boarding, cycling etc.

personally i would rather party with someone snooting the bolivian marching powder than someone inhaling the chronic.

[cj001f]

http://fecesflingingmonkey.com/

 

Repeatedly copying something on a copier wouldn't produce the distortion they refer. Copiers work linerally - both scan and print portions, so the distortion should be regular along some axis (i.e x, y or some combo)

 

Distortion of random portions of the document would more likely be from an imaging system like microfiche.

[Mal_Con]

The IBM Executive typewriter used porportional fonts and was available with the th superscript. In the 70's the Navy used mag card typwriters which could reproduce many fonts (I do not know about the TNG). The Whitehouse pased the copies to news organizations and did not object.

[Peter_Puget]

Seems as tho CBS is starting to backtrack a bit.....it's fun watching this develop no matter how it turns out.

 

1 if it is fraud it's another media bias story and Kerr is screwed

2 No matter how it turns out the big media will have to "tighten" up in response to the blogosphere.

[Off_White]

Well, I don't know how much Kerry will be screwed, do you think it would be anymore than Bush was screwed by the Swift Boat Veterans apparent lies and fabrications? After all, it doesn't appear to be a Kerry campaign plot.

 

It is however a very interesting thing to watch, and an interesting mark of just how much the internet changes the game, this sort of response would be much slower to build without that kind of peer to peer communication on this kind of scale.

[mattp]

It is a totally goofy story either way. No matter how you look at it, there seems to be no question that GW DID NOT complete his obligations to his country -- and he's lied about it.

 

We'll all debate whether this shows there is some kind of media bias, or whether CBS is sloppy or whatever, and in the end we'll all forget that in this campaign Kerry did not make a bunch of noise over Bush's failure to serve - he only sought to capitalize off of his own record just as candidates have always done when they had some military medals to show off -- until the Bush camp started flinging the mud.

[Greg_W]

Matt, if this were the case, he would not have received the Honorable Discharge that he did. Now, I know, some will call "Daddy Privilege" here but, I don't think that GHWB was in such a powerful position, in a broad-based way, as to influence National Guard Colonels (I think he was DCI at the time). From the reports I've heard of the state of the National Guard at the time, things were pretty lax. Not making excuses, mind you, just adding some perspective.

 

I heard some interesting background on moveon.org last night. They, more than the Swifties, have direct ties to their national party, the DNC. George Soros is a huge contributor to both moveon.org AND the DNC, special counsel to the DNC is also that of moveon.org, major players at moveon.org are MAJOR (read: >$100,000) contributors to the DNC, etc, etc. The head of the Swifties merely gave his $2,000 to the RNC and went home. So, again, I wonder how Campaign Finance Reform has worked if all the major players are getting around the law by creating 527s and actually skirting ANY limits imposed by the FEC and CFR.

[Jim]

Matt, if this were the case, he would not have received the Honorable Discharge that he did. Now, I know, some will call "Daddy Privilege" here but, I don't think that GHWB was in such a powerful position, in a broad-based way, as to influence National Guard Colonels (I think he was DCI at the time).

 

Gimme a break! This is rich! GW played on his family's name to get into Yale and Harvard, and to get in and out of the guard safely. Of course he got an honorable discharge as a free lunch pass. It's very simple, he signed saying he would fullfill his obligations, the paper trail obviously shows he did not. And he lied about it.

 

To think that his powerful family ties played no role is naive at best.

[rbw1966]

Speaking from personal knowledge, you can break a lot of regulations and still get an honorable discharge from the National Guard. Quite a few people in the Oregon Natinal Guard merely stopped showing up for drill and received their Honorable Discharge a while later.

[wally]

here is kerrys commitment to those in the vietnam war.

www.stolenhonor.com