Peter_Puget Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 That is pretty sad. It seems like it is rare to find a character like that these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 He was an extraordinary man, however, I bet there are thousands like him over there right now that we have no connection too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Why is this any sadder than the 1000 other kids that George W sent to die? Because he was good at a stupid game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 no it's not any sadder than any of the other lives lost. h/e it is a tad noteworthy b/c he turned down millions to serve his country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 Hey Patrick check out the post above yours and no one said it was. Someone dies in a traffic accident in Iowa and we know nothing of it. A cc.com poster dies and we post it. Why? because we have a connection with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 no it's not any sadder than any of the other lives lost. h/e it is a tad noteworthy b/c he turned down millions to serve his country. And also because he shunned any media attention about it. He did it because he believed it, and not for any other reason. This is a little different than what his commander in chief did when he was called to duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 (edited) He did it because he believed it, and not for any other reason. You mean kind of like the Islamic terrorists? Edited April 23, 2004 by danielpatricksmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 I feel bad for this guy, and the other families. Afganastan was one thing, but what do you tell the relatives that this guy, or any other solidier, died for in Iraq? Hell, they can't even explain it to the media never-the-less a grieving family member. What a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glacier Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Perhaps because he chose to skip being good at a stupid game and actually chose to do something he deemed important. He had a very lucrative option, whereas most in our volunteer armed services don't, and could have easily chosen to be a millionaire for a few Sundays' worth of 'work'. Which option would you choose? Â In the name of full disclosure, I'd be chasing a guy with a ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 He did it because he believed it, and not for any other reason. You mean kind of like the Islamic terrorists? Â Exactly. Just like all those Islamic terrorists that turned down lucrative NFL contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPS Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Ohhhh, so its the fact he had money that makes it so sad. I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 There is a stanza in the Ranger Creed that in part states, "Fully knowing that I volunteered for the Rangers...". This particular death is not any more or less sad than others that have occurred but I think OlyClimber and Minx hit on the fact that his story is very unique. RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 DPS - Everyone has made clear that this death is not made more "sad" because of his status. You certainly understand this yet you continue to try to 'cause a controversy. My suggestion would be leave it alone. Â Cheers, Â PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Ohhhh, so its the fact he had money that makes it so sad. I see. Â You see as much as your mind allows you to. Â I don't agree with the way the current administration has tried to make it into an 'us against the evil doers', but I do recognize valor and honor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Ohhhh, so its the fact he had money that makes it so sad. I see.  dps  i can only assume you're being contrary for the sake of being contrary.  obviously money has nothing to do w/it being sad. in fact it is not any more sad than the countless others who have died and will die. it is noteworthy. and it is noteworthy in a positive way (not that his death was positive) b/c he made a choice most of us know we wouldn't make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Why is this any sadder than the 1000 other kids that George W sent to die? Because he was good at a stupid game? Â No, because he chose the harder road because he believed in what he was doing. Pull your head out of your ass, you're not very tall as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Sorry to rain on your parade of patriotism here, but the actual fact is that I don't think we actually know whether patriotism was his reason for signing up. It would seem "obvious," perhaps, but people have lots of reasons for doing what they do and the "obvious" one is not always the correct one. I believe he did not give interviews or release writings or anywhere else explain what his reasons were. Â It is a compelling story, though. His death is sad, and the fact that he gave up a potentially lucrative career to join the military is quite remarkable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted April 23, 2004 Author Share Posted April 23, 2004 Sorry to rain on your parade of patriotism here, but the actual fact is that I don't think we actually know whether patriotism was his reason for signing up. It would seem "obvious," perhaps, but people have lots of reasons for doing what they do and the "obvious" one is not always the correct one. Â Â Mattp - See here for some more insight The obvious reason for your post would seem to be helping us think better but perhaps there is something deeper going on. I am sure there are a myriad of reasons anyone does anything. Â PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 The obvious reason for your post would seem to be helping us think better but perhaps there is something deeper going on. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Come on, all. Â The guy had already made a bunch of money when he decided to leave the nfl. His family was taken care of, as were his material needs. Â Personally, I'd be more moved if he would have joined a monastery, instead of taking up arms and going on a killing spree in someone else's country. Â I believe it was George Bush's saviour Jesus that said "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klenke Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Sexual chocolate said... "Blah blah blah...I'm an ass...blah blah blah." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual_chocolate Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 Let me posit a correction, if I may:  Sexual Chocolate said  "Come on, all.  The guy had already made a bunch of money when he decided to leave the nfl. His family was taken care of, as were his material needs.  Personally, I'd be more moved if he would have joined a monastery, instead of taking up arms and going on a killing spree in someone else's country.  I believe it was George Bush's saviour Jesus that(sic) said "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.".   Maybe you could explain your rather loose translation. I know I open myself up to all sorts of clever retorts, but my humility forces such a "concession". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbw1966 Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 There is a stanza in the Ranger Creed that in part states, "Fully knowing that I volunteered for the Rangers...". Â Actually, the first stanza of the Ranger Creed goes: Â "Recognizing that I voluneered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor and high esprit de corps of the Rangers" Â Surrender is not a Ranger word. Â Rangers lead the way! May he rest in peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted April 23, 2004 Share Posted April 23, 2004 I think this article captures most of why a peace freak such as myself would admire this guy. It isn't about nationalism (for me at least), it is about personal integrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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