scrambled_legs Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I dropped my ATC and need to replace it. I have only owned an ATC and a figure 8 and have no complaints with either. I was just wondering if there was anything out there more versatile than an ATC that I should consider. I'd be using it for cragging, alpine and ice. Any Suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen_Ramsey Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Petzl Reverso is pretty nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeShow Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Seems like this thread is better suited for 'Gear Critic' Â I found this browsing the forum recently... it should help. Â Belay Devices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodchester Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I lost my ATC last year...I looked at lots of devices and came right back to the ATC. Simple, easy, lightweight...and proven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Munter hitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambled_legs Posted February 24, 2004 Author Share Posted February 24, 2004 Thanks Smoke Show... I just about quoted that old post, I guess I'm not the only one with bad luck. Â The B-52 sounds like a pretty popular unit. I've used many B-52's and found the response was satisfying, but that was at the bar after dropping my ATC. Â Are they a new copycat of the Reverso? I've never even heard of one before reading that post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 reverso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_W Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 ATC - simple, easy. I would like to get one of those ATC-type devices someone's making for thinner ropes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambled_legs Posted February 24, 2004 Author Share Posted February 24, 2004 I've heard about the same durability problems with the reverso. I just found the sight for Trango's B-52. It sounds and looks like a pretty good product but of coarse thats the company talking. Â Anyone have any bad experiences with a B-52?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken4ord Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Reverso, does everything a ATC does and more. Handles skinny ropes just fine too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 i use an atc and reverso. i like my atc better for some things. it handles a little smoother than the reverso if you're lowering someone and it seems like it's a little smoother to rap with. Â the reverso is great for having 2 people following. i like it b/c you can set it up to autolock if your second falls by adding another carabiner. Â i haven't had problems with skinny ropes with either one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucK Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 (edited) Anyone have any bad experiences with a B-52?? Â oops, fixed? Lots of Vietnamese, Laoatians, and Iraqis have. Edited February 24, 2004 by chucK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 there is a potential for the B-52 to fail to lockup in autolocking mode when the brake biner flips a certain way ... I think snoboy could provide more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrambled_legs Posted February 24, 2004 Author Share Posted February 24, 2004 corn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimL Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I like a regular/ATC style belay device for cragging. I prefer the Reverso for multi-pitch routes. I would own both if I were you. I don't like the Reverso for an all around device because I think it’s harder to feed out rope as well as bulkier. I like a more precise device when I'm belaying. Especially if someone is on a hard pitch. On the other hand, there is nothing better than having a Reverso on multi-pitch climbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Sport climbing: Doesn't really matter, ATC or GriGri Multipitch climbing: Munter, Reverso, or B52 (haven't used the latter) Aid climbing: GriGri! (freakin two-hour belays!) Â For multipitch climbing, I really like the ability to belay two followers simultaneously. I also really like the autoblock feature so I can attach it directly to the anchor and if my follower falls, they don't jerk me around. The reverso does get sharp edges pretty quickly, which is a concern. When my reverso wears out, I will definately look into the B52 and any other device that allows dual belay and autoblocks. Reverso also doesn't handle two thick ropes very well. I wonder if the B52 is better in this regard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Anyone have any bad experiences with a B-52?? Â Lots of Japanese, Germans, Italians, North Koreans, Vietnamese and Laoatians have. Â Japanese? Germans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinfox Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Â Â I don't think we have bombed any Japanese, Germans, or Italians since 1952. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Go small. Less stuff to get in the way. Check out the bug! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulB Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I use an ATC, and for multi-pitch also carry a plaquette (Kong Gi-Gi). I find this to be a versatile combination. Yes, I have to carry two devices, and an extra locker to use the plaquette, but it works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Japanese? Germans? That would be the B-29 and the B-17, respectively. Those devices are both obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken4ord Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Nice PP you almost have all your pride colors there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 Yeah I agree on the reverso deal. It can lock on you when you try to feed out a lot of rope fast to a leader who is making a desperate clip. It also clangs around a lot compared to an ATC, and definitely wears fast if you don't reverse it from time to time to prevent that "knifeblade" from forming on the rim. Very useful for multipitch stuff, but if you can afford an ATC as well I think that's a good way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I lost my ATC last year...I looked at lots of devices and came right back to the ATC. Simple, easy, lightweight...and proven. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted February 24, 2004 Share Posted February 24, 2004 I've used the B-52, ATC, and Reverso equal amounts, and now the only device I carry with me is the Reverso. It's so simple to use, and the autoblock option is nice for crevasse rescue situations- I know that the B-52 can autoblock, but the Reverso is just so easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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