erik Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 TEX HAVE YOU DONE THE ROUTE ALEX IS TALKING ABOUT? I HAVE AND THE CRACK IS A PARALLEL FINGER CRACK THAT STARTS KINDA HANDS AND THEN MOVES INTO FINGERS AND TIGHT FINGERS INTO A LAY BACK INTO 4TH CLASS MOVES. ALIENS FAIL MORE OFTEN AND THAT IS THAT, THEY BOTH HAVE THEIR PLACE BUT TIME AND TIME AGAIN I WOULD RATHER TAKE A FALL ON A TCU THEN AN ALIEN, DURABILTY BEING A HUGE FACTOR IN THE FAILURE OF THE CAM. ALSO I DONT THINK ALEX WAS IN DURESS AT THE TIME OF THE LEAD, ATLEAST HE DID NOT SAY SO.... AND WOULDNT YOU SAY THAT 80% OF THE TIME WHY WOULD YOU MAKE A PLACEMENT IF IT IS BAD? WHY WASTE THE ENERGY FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW IS BAD?? FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY? I DUNNO I ATTEMPT TO ONLY MAKE GOOD PLACEMENTS... WHO KNOWS!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Aliens suxxor. Get ZERO CAMS!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Yes Erik, in fact I soloed the route about a month ago. I did no liebacking on the route either. It takes bigger stuff down low and then is the quintessential alien country as you approach the crux. Aliens are made for parallel sided finger cracks. The crux is a long reach to a fingerlock with kind of small feet that you can only get your toes into. I found the most insecure stuff actually above the "crux" with some rattleyfingers but with the angle kicked back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Its granite and takes super gear. If you pop a piece on that thing you don't know how to place gear. Oh, and in lab tests, aliens have more holding power than any other cam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 texplorer said: Yes Erik, in fact I soloed the route about a month ago. I did no liebacking on the route either. It takes bigger stuff down low and then is the quintessential alien country as you approach the crux. Aliens are made for parallel sided finger cracks. The crux is a long reach to a fingerlock with kind of small feet that you can only get your toes into. I found the most insecure stuff actually above the "crux" with some rattleyfingers but with the angle kicked back. Aren't Aliens made for pods, pockets, and pin-scars, i.e. places where other cams don't fit so good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakioawa Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 texplorer said: Its granite and takes super gear. If you pop a piece on that thing you don't know how to place gear. Oh, and in lab tests, aliens have more holding power than any other cam. I'd like to see your source on this one. I find it hard to believe that an alien has more holding power than a camalot, friend, of metolius fat cam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 They fit better into pods, pockets, and pin scars than tcu's because their flexible cables and narrow design. In doing so they have not compromised strength however and are as strong as tcu's. I like tcu's too. In many situations they work just as well as aliens but they are just less versatile in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-rock Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Which in everyone's opinion was cooler, Gobots or Transformers. And if you say "Gobots" you're an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Decepticons were the shizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Say what you will, but you must admit that there was more than met the eye to those wily Transformers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Mighty Orbots??? Shogun Warriors with fist that shoots off? Battle of the Planets with G-Force? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 texplorer said: Yes Erik, in fact I soloed the route about a month ago. I did no liebacking on the route either. It takes bigger stuff down low and then is the quintessential alien country as you approach the crux. Aliens are made for parallel sided finger cracks. The crux is a long reach to a fingerlock with kind of small feet that you can only get your toes into. I found the most insecure stuff actually above the "crux" with some rattleyfingers but with the angle kicked back. You did no liebacking - did you climb the lower half of Even Steven to the top half of Toxic Shock, not the classic lieback that is the crux of Toxic Shock? Even Steven takes larger pro down low - to #1 camalot, but Toxic Shock takes pretty much small cams for the first 20 feet. I'd be pretty interested to see you do the bottom of TS without liebacking. As far as aliens vs TCUs, its all good, I like both and will continue to buy and use both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 My bad, I haven't soloed the routes your talking about Alex. I read erik's post and thought he was talking about the Zip I have never been on Toxic Shock or Even Steven. I misread Eriks post. Sorry Erik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 erik said: TEX HAVE YOU DONE THE ROUTE ALEX IS TALKING ABOUT? I HAVE AND THE CRACK IS A PARALLEL FINGER CRACK THAT STARTS KINDA HANDS AND THEN MOVES INTO FINGERS AND TIGHT FINGERS INTO blah blah blah... Sounds like a good Hex placement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 twas a good Tex placement too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texplorer Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 If you use a hex, you might need to add a quickDru to prevent rope drag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 didja bleed on that crack at all? and leave some GoreTex for the next party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwalling Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 Dru said: one time i was trying to lead da zip and i got my hand in the pod and threw in a #2 flexy friend and grabbed the biner to clip, and clipped with the rope over my finger, and yelled Take and my finger got caught between the biner and the rope and i had a fingertip with no feeling for 3 months. hangdog epic Dude same thing with me. I placed a small camalot and my foot slid and my finger was stuck. God that hurt! I couldn't finish the damn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-rock Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 The Law Goddess sent that shit in style three weeks ago, pussy hang-doggers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwalling Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 But was the lawgoddess an out of shape tub of lard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 7, 2003 Share Posted August 7, 2003 E-rock said: The Law Goddess sent that shit in style three weeks ago, pussy hang-doggers! so? was she trippin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 I lieback the start to Toxic shock every time. But it would never surprise me that some people could climb "with real skill" not doing so. Broken aliens are not nice. Another note: I wouldnt doubt Texplorer would solo it....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Two unanswered questions remain: 1) Where is the lab data supporting Tex's claim regarding Alien's strength vs. Met. TCUs? 2) Alex, Why do you think the lack of cam stops cause your unit to become damaged? PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Peter_Puget said: 2) Alex, Why do you think the lack of cam stops cause your unit to become damaged? Oh sorry, because when the cam ripped, the reason the wires got caught between the cams in the first place was that the cams on one side (2 lobes) overextended so competely, pulling the wires "forward" into the small gaps between the cams. I don't know if this would have happened with other cams or not, but the lobes being able to overextend way beyond their "resting" position wasnt helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMR Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 I think w/ that much force, you would have ripped cam stops off...they are just tiny little chunks...basically to withsand the springs is all they are good for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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