cracked Posted June 8, 2003 Posted June 8, 2003 People (most notably Twight) claim that there exist 2lbs 20 degree synthetic sleeping bags. I can't find any that light. I weighed the TNF cat's meow, and it was right about 3lbs, and that's supposed to be the most efficient synthetic insulation around. Anybody know of a company that makes synthetic bags light? I know of none who make synthetics with the same fabrics and features as the down bags made by the likes of FF, WM, or Nunatak. Quote
JoshK Posted June 8, 2003 Posted June 8, 2003 I read the same thing and came to the conclusion that he was either a.) smoking crack or b.) confusing his numbers. Are you set on synthetic? If not, check out the marmot helium. 1lbs 14oz (I actually confirm this weight on a scale), and 15 degrees. I've slept in it on a very cold spring night and was super warm. It's a pricey bag, but I give marmot on this one. Quote
eric8 Posted June 8, 2003 Posted June 8, 2003 PMS sells a bag called the andromedia strain that weighs like 1 lb 10 ounces(give or take a couple ounces cause I'm not exactly sure). Anyway its syn. bag but its only rated to 40 degrees though. I thinking about buying it though to replace my 20 degree 4lb syn bag which is to warm for what i use it for (stuff in the cascades). Quote
catbirdseat Posted June 9, 2003 Posted June 9, 2003 My Marmot Couloir down bag weighs 1 lb, 10 oz, and is rated to 40 degrees. It is warm enough for three seasons if you wear all your extra clothes (as you should). I've been down to 25 degrees with it and was a tad cold but wouldn't have wanted to carry more weight, even so. Quote
gslater Posted June 9, 2003 Posted June 9, 2003 Interesting. MY Marmot Couloir (purchased last year) is a 0 degree bag and weighs something like 3 lbs. Are you sure you're talking about the Couloir? How old is it? Quote
lummox Posted June 9, 2003 Posted June 9, 2003 JoshK said: I read the same thing and came to the conclusion that he was either a.) smoking crack or b.) confusing his numbers. Are you set on synthetic? If not, check out the marmot helium. 1lbs 14oz (I actually confirm this weight on a scale), and 15 degrees. I've slept in it on a very cold spring night and was super warm. It's a pricey bag, but I give marmot on this one. you dint consider other options: 3) dwarfs dont need long bags. Quote
Beck Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 Twight was probably referring to his sub two pound fourty degree bag. Scott Backes talked about their different sleep systems, and he said on Twight, House and his ascent of the Czech Direct route on Denali, Twight used a fourty degree synthetic bag, and Scott used a twenty degree synthetic. I tried my sub two pound fourty degree bag for two nights in conjunction with a belay jacket on a ski traverse over Glacier Peak this weekend and slept warm. Quote
cracked Posted June 10, 2003 Author Posted June 10, 2003 Beck said: Twight was probably referring to his sub two pound fourty degree bag. Scott Backes talked about their different sleep systems, and he said on Twight, House and his ascent of the Czech Direct route on Denali, Twight used a fourty degree synthetic bag, and Scott used a twenty degree synthetic. I tried my sub two pound fourty degree bag for two nights in conjunction with a belay jacket on a ski traverse over Glacier Peak this weekend and slept warm. Actually, I went to the slideshow. Backes specifically said that he used a 10degree bag on Hunter, while Twight used a 20. He also said that on the Czech they had NO bags. And in his book, he refers to a TWO pound 20degree bag. A sub 2lb 40degree bag is easy to find. BTW, it was a great show. Quote
catbirdseat Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 gslater said: Interesting. MY Marmot Couloir (purchased last year) is a 0 degree bag and weighs something like 3 lbs. Are you sure you're talking about the Couloir? How old is it? Maybe I have the name screwed up? The bag is about two years old. Quote
Rodchester Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 Marmot Coulior: Couloir Reg - 0°F • -18°C Our favorite all-round bag; 3+ season performance with a slightly roomier mummy cut. 800 Fill Down - Twilight DryLoft™ Does marmot even make a 40 degree bag? I don't think they do? They make two lightweight 30 degree down bags and I think they make some synthetic bag for sleping in huts and hostels? Quote
Distel32 Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 Just get the FF Hummingbird. 1lb 11oz and epic material is awesome!!! 20degree bag, all problems solved! I just got one as a graduation gift, and my synthetic bag will be quickly retired, I never felt really warm. Plus if you get the epic shell from FF then you don't have to worry that much about the down gettin wet. Quote
Beck Posted June 10, 2003 Posted June 10, 2003 stand corrected about the Backes beta, that's right, they didn't use sleeping bags, but at some point, either at the slide show, or at pub club afterwards, during most of their trips, as they dialed their systems in, that he was using about a twenty degree synthetic bag, and Twight was using a fourty degree bag... I'll putting two and two togther and imagining Twight was referring to this as a sub two pound synthetic bag. Quote
gslater Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 Distel32 said: Just get the FF Hummingbird. 1lb 11oz and epic material is awesome!!! 20degree bag, all problems solved! I just got one as a graduation gift, and my synthetic bag will be quickly retired, I never felt really warm. I know you got it as a gift, but do you have any idea how much $$$ the Hummingbirds go for? Quote
gslater Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 Got off my lazy ass and looked it up. It's $305 for the Epic version in regular length. Nice gift. Quote
thelawgoddess Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 pretty nice, but my friend got a brand new land rover when he graduated. back on track, though -- that's not a bad price for a super lightweight epic bag. Quote
Distel32 Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 (edited) yup, but if you're going to be buying a lightweight synthetic bag you're going to be shelling out quite a bit of money already if you want to find a 20deg 2lb bag (if it exists). Spend the extra 50 or so and get something thats going to last you much longer and be better! Edit: TLG, great minds think alike It was a combination graduation and bday gift. Edited June 11, 2003 by Distel32 Quote
Distel32 Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 I'm 5'10" and it is comfortable for me! try and find someone with one of their bags and hop in and see what you think. IMHO the extra six inches is sort of a lot if you can fit into a regular length bag, but just my thoughts, you can emila them and see what they think. Quote
Crackbolter Posted June 11, 2003 Posted June 11, 2003 (edited) I am 6'1" so I ave to use a regular length but if you are under 6' you will be okay with a regular length. Also take a look at the swallow. I use that thing for everything short of winter overnighters including carry overs. The other bag to look at is the Vireo. The bag is right around a pound and if you bring a down jacket or vest you can stay warm up to freezing temps. Perfect for climbs like Stuart NR or Slesse NEB or if you are just trying to save weight due to an overwhelming amount of hardware in your pack. Send me an e-mail customerservice@featheredfriends.com if you need any more questions answered. CB Edited June 11, 2003 by Crackbolter Quote
climberted Posted June 12, 2003 Posted June 12, 2003 The SD powernap is about the lightest I have seen. 30F - 1lb 15oz - 24oz of fill. No zipper and has a nice hood design that is big enough to where an insulated hood from a parka inside it. http://www.sierradesigns.com/cgi-bin/driver.pl?index=113&conf=bag_show_03 when you compair it to the "hey fuck face" flight at 35F - 2lb 3oz - 15oz of fill and Standard Andromeda Strain from I.D. at 1lb 12oz and 40F, it starts to look like a n deal. I have the down version (moonlite) and can fit it into an XS silnylon stuff sac from GoLite, phuckin small. Quote
David_Parker Posted June 12, 2003 Posted June 12, 2003 (edited) I just bought the Mt. Hardwear Phantom at REI. Retails at $240.00 but I had a 25% off coupon and some dividend $. It is a 30' bag, 800 fill down and weighs 1lb-5 oz. I double checked on a scale and it was correct. 3/4 zipper. Have not used it yet so can't comment yet. I usually carry a down belay jacket so I figure to have good range with this bag. Edited June 12, 2003 by David_Parker Quote
Crackbolter Posted June 12, 2003 Posted June 12, 2003 I just noticed that I said I was 6'1 and I used a regular length. That is incorrect. I use a long and reccommend a long for anyone over 6' and regular for anyone under 6'. Quote
allthumbs Posted June 12, 2003 Posted June 12, 2003 at least long enuf to keep the water bottle at the foot and unfrozen Quote
Alpinfox Posted June 13, 2003 Posted June 13, 2003 Get a down bag. Mo' Betta. I got me one a deez and I'm real happy with it. Western Mountaineering Ultralight 1lb 10oz/20deg Buy it at Jim's place and support a locally-owned (and badass) climbing store! www.promountainsports.com Quote
Distel32 Posted June 13, 2003 Posted June 13, 2003 just about the same price as the hummingbird for that WM bag. Quote
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