erik Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 yeah, i have been spraying about this for like a year. heres the goods. Quote
rbw1966 Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 Toyota advertised in Harpers Magazine last year that they would be marketing a hydrogen SUV in the year 2003-2004. Quote
COL._Von_Spanker Posted April 10, 2003 Author Posted April 10, 2003 Ford Version Yeah, I have been following all the hydrogen developments since I first learned about the ballard cells from VRI guys in the engineering dept. at WWU Quote
COL._Von_Spanker Posted April 10, 2003 Author Posted April 10, 2003 As a designer I like to follow all this shizzle... Quote
COL._Von_Spanker Posted April 10, 2003 Author Posted April 10, 2003 Mr._Natural said: pollution relocation Whatever hippy. You been spending too much time in fairhaven with dem folks with patchwork dresses over courderoy pants and mangy dogs with hemp collars and rope leashes... Quote
Mr._Natural Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 what the fuck is your problem dude? my point is that from my limited understanding commercially available hydrogen fuel will be produced by burning coal. do you have anything intelligent to add or do you just want to talk shit? Quote
COL._Von_Spanker Posted April 10, 2003 Author Posted April 10, 2003 Hey, it was just a joke from one ex-ham'er to another resident of the ham. So to answer your question I just wanted to talk shit. Quote
COL._Von_Spanker Posted April 10, 2003 Author Posted April 10, 2003 Based on the law of conservation of energy which states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed from one form to another we must assume that to power a locomotive device some sort of fuel must be converted in order to accelerate. The question then, is which process collectivly produced the smallest amount of detrimental side effects. Hydrogen may require the burning of fossil fuels or natural gas, but do the negative side effects exceed the environmental impacts of all the cars on the road? Only time will answer this question, but I will assume that mass producing fuel that in turn produces water as it's by-product will be better than mass producing gasoline from crude oil which then produces more pollution. Either way something has to be refined; Hydrogen may just be the lesser of two evils. Quote
catbirdseat Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 Mr._Natural said: what the fuck is your problem dude? my point is that from my limited understanding commercially available hydrogen fuel will be produced by burning coal. do you have anything intelligent to add or do you just want to talk shit? For those of you who don't already know, hydrogen is produced by electrolysis of water. The electricity needed for this can be generated by any number of means, from fossil fuels such as natural gas or coal to solar wind farms, etc. It would be great if fuel cells could use natural gas directly because it is more readily available. At one time the focus was on onboard reformer system to convert natural gas or methanol into hydrogen and CO2, but it now appears that the plan is to store compressed hydrogen produced in large stationary plants. As the lightest gas, it is one of the hardest to store because of the pratical impossibility of liquifying it as they do on the Space Shuttle. Instead it will be stored as a compressed gas at high pressures. There is potential danger in that. Quote
ryland_moore Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 Bunch of propaganda. Bush stated in his speech that 40 million would go to Hydrogen fuel research. What he didn't tell you is that to produce hydrogen fuel takes just as much natural gas to produce it as to run cars on oil and gas! GM says that they are working to develop hydrogen fuel produced by solar panels, but at the same time, they are pulling their electric cars market. Sounds a little fishy to me, but if they ever pull it off, more power to them. If Bush was really behind this, he would provide more tax incentives to folks using these cars/SUVs. GM is still producing the Hummer, aren't they? I have a big truck, so what can I say about it..... Quote
Dru Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 catbirdseat said: Mr._Natural said: what the fuck is your problem dude? my point is that from my limited understanding commercially available hydrogen fuel will be produced by burning coal. do you have anything intelligent to add or do you just want to talk shit? For those of you who don't already know, hydrogen is produced by electrolysis of water. The electricity needed for this can be generated by any number of means, from fossil fuels such as natural gas or coal to solar wind farms, etc. It would be great if fuel cells could use natural gas directly because it is more readily available. At one time the focus was on onboard reformer system to convert natural gas or methanol into hydrogen and CO2, but it now appears that the plan is to store compressed hydrogen produced in large stationary plants. As the lightest gas, it is one of the hardest to store because of the pratical impossibility of liquifying it as they do on the Space Shuttle. Instead it will be stored as a compressed gas at high pressures. There is potential danger in that. you mean like the potential danger of gasoline and match? Quote
max Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 COL._Von_Spanker said: Whatever hippy. You been spending too much time in fairhaven with dem folks with patchwork dresses over courderoy pants and mangy dogs with hemp collars and rope leashes... and cars... Mr. Naturalr said: my point is that from my limited understanding ... While I'm not annoyed by Mr. Natural personally, the image that comes to mind when I read his posts grates. I went to WWU, now I'm in boulder (worse!) and both share a population of early twenties, middle class pseudo-itellectuals whos rhetoric reflects their ignorance. Again, nothing personal Mr. Natural And yeah, what CVS and cbs said.... Quote
allthumbs Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 Mr._Natural said: what the fuck is your problem dude? my point is that from my limited understanding commercially available hydrogen fuel will be produced by burning coal. do you have anything intelligent to add or do you just want to talk shit? suck my dick asseyes. how's that? Quote
Fejas Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 Redusing polution in the air, adding to the pollution of the water system... masive inflation of the economy... changing the climate, although cooling down what has become warm, adding to the levels of persipation... Quote
Mr._Natural Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 max said: COL._Von_Spanker said: Whatever hippy. You been spending too much time in fairhaven with dem folks with patchwork dresses over courderoy pants and mangy dogs with hemp collars and rope leashes... and cars... Mr. Naturalr said: my point is that from my limited understanding ... While I'm not annoyed by Mr. Natural personally, the image that comes to mind when I read his posts grates. I went to WWU, now I'm in boulder (worse!) and both share a population of early twenties, middle class pseudo-itellectuals whos rhetoric reflects their ignorance. Again, nothing personal Mr. Natural And yeah, what CVS and cbs said.... Quote
JoshK Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 Shrub's backing of alternative fuels is BS. It's a small amount meant to appease the middle ground. In any event, electric powered cars have the potential to be very very cool. One thing you'll notice about that GM one is how all the weight is very low. This will be great for handling. All of you current SUV and truck owners will get the joy of driving a vehicle that doesn't handle like ass on a stick. Also, trask, I think electric vehicles have the potential for very quick acceleration. They should be much lighter and electric motors are very torquey. the interal combustion engine has served us great for 100 years or more, but it's life span will end soon enough. It's aincient technology. Quote
allthumbs Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 JoshK said: Also, trask, I think electric vehicles have the potential for very quick acceleration. The interal combustion engine has served us great for 100 years or more, but it's life span will end soon enough. It's aincient technology. yeah, yeah, but I'll miss the sound of a tricked V-8 with a lopey cam Quote
ryland_moore Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 Too bad GM just shut down their electric car department and have focused their entire enegery into hydrogen fuel cells. Even people with the electric cars already produced by GM are now having to turn their "leases" back in and the program is, according to GM, over. Quote
Dru Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 record it on mp3 and blast it from your speakers!!!! make your pinto sound like a muscle car Quote
allthumbs Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 I don't know how to do all that new space age stuff. I'm just an old fart in the wind. Quote
JoshK Posted April 10, 2003 Posted April 10, 2003 'tis true, nothing like the sound of a nice V8. That's why I really want to smack around the dipshit riceboys and there coffee-canned POS civics. Worthless fucks. bbbaawwwwwww!!! For fuck's sake, your car sounds like a weedwhacker on crack, asswipe! Quote
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