freeclimb9 Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Revenge for small and large disputes has begun in Iraq. I predict thousands will be killed. Grim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 I think it's funny they can't show topless women on tv but live zoomed in battle footage gets the green light. wtf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 btw there's way too much chatter on this site on the weekends. get outside please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 "the bloodbath starts"??? does this mean we have not been watching the same news for the past couple of weeks? http://truthout.org/docs_03/040603A.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 jb one thing against your arguement...is as any reasoning adult.... if i knew there were to be mass bombings of an area in which i and my family resides....well i would get myself and them outta of harms way...i think they call that reasoning...but who i knows i personally am saving that for when i am older... but thats just me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Schuldt Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 freeclimb9 said: Revenge for small and large disputes has begun in Iraq. I predict thousands will be killed. Grim. It will be ugly, there has been no talk of a truth and reconciliation commision like the one in South Africa. That one worked, see Long Nights Jorney Into Day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 j_b said: "the bloodbath starts"??? does this mean we have not been watching the same news for the past couple of weeks? http://truthout.org/docs_03/040603A.shtml jump down off the soap box, Tool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 j_b, I don't think much of websites that don't have info on who they are. It's clear what they stand for, but not who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 erik said: jb one thing against your arguement...is as any reasoning adult.... if i knew there were to be mass bombings of an area in which i and my family resides....well i would get myself and them outta of harms way...i think they call that reasoning...but who i knows i personally am saving that for when i am older... but thats just me.... no, not only you. I think I'd do the same but it is not obvious where they'd go, if they have the means to go anywhere, or that it'd be safer to go somewhere else. And finally, lack of reasoning does not justify death or does it? (rhetorical here) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted April 7, 2003 Author Share Posted April 7, 2003 j_b, if the coalition forces were out to waste civilians, they're doing a lousy job of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 jib nothing justifies death... but wouldnt you say that the us is doing a better job then previous mass bombing campaigns to minimize collateral damage?? still all you have to do to garauntee atleast minimals safety would to not be in the vicinity of govt or military buildings?? now hurry up and respond so i can call you names and shit!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 freeclimb9 said: if the coalition forces were out to waste civilians, they're doing a lousy job of it. did someone say this? I know I did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Good point Erik. The U.S. is doing it's utmost to minimize ALL casualties. War is hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 erik said: but wouldnt you say that the us is doing a better job then previous mass bombing campaigns to minimize collateral damage?? It seems like it depends on the place and time. The form of the conflict has evolved a lot since day 1 (it's not over either, unfortunately) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 j_b said: erik said: but wouldnt you say that the us is doing a better job then previous mass bombing campaigns to minimize collateral damage?? It seems like it depends on the place and time. The form of the conflict has evolved a lot since day 1 (it's not over either, unfortunately) thanks for the buzz, Ari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 trask said:War is hell. for sure is. I think we already knew that. This is precisely why war is usually a last resort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lummox Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 somone please explain to me how beer drinking would NOT help those people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 what if i consider xhristain rhetoric as hell?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 lummox said: somone please explain to me how beer drinking would NOT help those people. TAKES ALOT OF BEER TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE LADIES TO LOOK LIKE HOTTIES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attitude Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 lummox said: somone please explain to me how beer drinking would NOT help those people. Apparently you've never dealt with a drunk redneck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 j_b said: trask said:War is hell. for sure is. I think we already knew that. This is precisely why war is usually a last resort. well since you concede that fact, why not get on the bandwagon and support the effort instead of taking every opportunity to take jabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobBob Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 trask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Damn Evil Amerikans! Afghanistan (2001-2): The LA Times found "a civilian death total of 1,067 to 1,201" from US attacks. Kosovo (1999): Human Rights Watch found that "Some 500 Yugoslav civilians are known to have died" from US attacks. Bosnia (1995): A Harvard Kennedy School of Government working paper (link in PDF format; HTML version here) found that "The war resulted in the deaths of about thirty civilians." Gulf War I (1991): Human Rights Watch declared themselves "reasonably confident that the total number of civilians killed directly by allied attacks did not exceed several thousand, with an upper limit of perhaps between 2,500 and 3,000 Iraqi dead." Panama (1989): Human Rights Watch reports an estimate of 300 civilians killed. All of these deaths are tragic, but they are by no means a bloodbath. In fact, the death toll from all these conflicts combined is probably less than the number of people who would have died from starvation had the US not invaded Afghanistan. All of them combined are probably less than the number of people Saddam would kill this year if left in power. Now I would ask interested readers to review a thread where J_B was spewing forth facts and figures related to Israel-Palestine conflict. I noted and produced references showing how the “press” J-B uses have consistently proven themselves shameless in it overstatement of deaths - both civilian and military. Who knows what the final toll of this conflict will be but whatever the results J_B will prefer those “claims” which support his before the fact thought process without regard to the Truth!. Let’s climb! PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinx Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 You mean let's go to Pub Club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Hi, Am getting way tired of censored American news in the invasion. Would like to find source with more information and less pro-American Invasion bias. Anyone find anything on the Web, a foreign paper maybe, with these qualities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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