sk Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 here ya go... most climbers hike, but not so many hikers climb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 hiking is the approach to climbing. Â seriously, the two overlap, its like a Venn diagram. There is mountaineering that is hiking, mountaineering that is climbing, mountaineering that is neither (skiing); climbing that is also hiking (if you hike up a peak, you have climbed that peak)...climbing is to ascend where as hiking is to walk...hiking along Olympic Beach for 3 days is not climbing but hiking up Whitney is, non-technical climbing; scrambling may be where the two overlap or it may be a subset of soloing without fall potential, Â the big question is SO FUCKING WHAT? if its for reporting lost people on the news, if they had technical gear, they are not "hikers" and its a bit of a put down to call them that. Â now to offend all the dog lovers . if it is hiking a dog can climb it, and if it is climbing, the dog can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 Hiking is flat and gay and there's no numbers to chase. Â Climbing is steep burly mono-pockets and sick dynos and sexy onsighting and whatnot, all tied together with big numbers and bigger spray. Â True indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 still depends on the dog I have seen a dog do easy 5th class, is that not climbing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 That's dogging, which anyone will tell you is poor style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted March 5, 2003 Author Share Posted March 5, 2003 Dr_Flash_Amazing said: Hiking is flat and gay and there's no numbers to chase. Â Climbing is steep burly mono-pockets and sick dynos and sexy onsighting and whatnot, all tied together with big numbers and bigger spray. Â True indeed. Â LMAO, DFA! Don't forge the part about how hikers always get their proper permits, and climbers are too good for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 allison said:Â LMAO, DFA! Don't forge the part about how hikers always get their proper permits, and climbers are too good for that! Â Quois? Mais non, petit grimpeur! Climbers always get the year 'round parking permit, it's just that climbers' permits are rad and sexy and facilitative of big-number sending, whereas hiker permits only lead to more gay flatness and boring non-anchor-clipping blanditudinalitification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mer Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 gay flatness and boring non-anchor-clipping blanditudinalitification What if have to skewer a grizzly bear with my trekking pole or swim an icey river in the buff? Would that not increase the raditudinal factor of my hike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 Sure, trekking pole grizzly skewering and au naturel icy river fording are fairly high-action pursuits, but most hikers don't get to swing with that kind of action. You're lucky to get hit in the head with a pinecone at worst. And without big numbers to enrich your story? Or cool words like the tres Francais "gaston" or "roto-pockets," you're pretty much sunk the moment you lace up your Sundowners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aint_this_great Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 its like a Venn diagram I'm going with Dru on this one. These are two of those words in our language that change meaning depending on the speaker, the context, etc. People who have "climbed" Mt. Rainier will also say they "climbed" Mt. Si, while others will say they "hiked" Si or "ran" Si. Do what you love, call it what you like, and if someone takes issue with your verbiage, pity tha foo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 Sure seems like a lot of posts for such a boring subject. BTW, this all got started at Pub Club last night. My two cents worth is that it all overlaps. Two tier system:  Class 1-3 hiking (includes occasional use of hands) Class 4-5 climbing  Three Tier system:  Class 1-2 hiking Class 2-3 scrambling Class 4-5 climbing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 Mer said: What if have to skewer a grizzly bear with my trekking pole . . . in the buff? Can you get that on tape? It'd be a jackass stunt worthy of airtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 aint_this_great said: its like a Venn diagram I'm going with Dru on this one. These are two of those words in our language that change meaning depending on the speaker, the context, etc. People who have "climbed" Mt. Rainier will also say they "climbed" Mt. Si, while others will say they "hiked" Si or "ran" Si. Do what you love, call it what you like, and if someone takes issue with your verbiage, pity tha foo. Â that's cause everyone around here is a fuckin genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinker Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 freeclimb9 said: Mer said: What if have to skewer a grizzly bear with my trekking pole . . . in the buff? Can you get that on tape? It'd be a jackass stunt worthy of airtime.  This is close: web page  Makes keeping your kitty off your computer moniter seem tame by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeclimb9 Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 She hiked up her skirt, and I quickly climbed onto the pool table to join her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoshK Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 freeclimb9 said: She hiked up her skirt, and I quickly climbed onto the pool table to join her. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 Hiking is what you do when you are too old to climb anymore unless your name is Fred Beckey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minx Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 hiking is what you do when your children are too small to climb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 Vertical height is the difference between hiking and climbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted March 5, 2003 Share Posted March 5, 2003 So are trips like the Ptarmigan Traverse and the Bailey Range climbs or hikes? Don't forget about this third "High Alpine Traverse" category. From a personal standpoint, I think it may surpass both hiking and climbing as the "ultimate" mountain experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 i thought the Ultimate Mountain Experience was and then remembering your past life as a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 Dru said: i thought the Ultimate Mountain Experience was and then remembering your past life as a  well, shit then i have had like 4 u.m.e. this year alone!!  i transcend shit! and am like zen!  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allison Posted March 6, 2003 Author Share Posted March 6, 2003 Fairweather said: So are trips like the Ptarmigan Traverse and the Bailey Range climbs or hikes? Â We decided this one last night. Trips like that are called fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted March 6, 2003 Share Posted March 6, 2003 allison said: Dr_Flash_Amazing said: Hiking is flat and gay and there's no numbers to chase. Â Climbing is steep burly mono-pockets and sick dynos and sexy onsighting and whatnot, all tied together with big numbers and bigger spray. Â True indeed. Â LMAO, DFA! Don't forge the part about how hikers always get their proper permits, and climbers are too good for that! Â Climbing is exciting, climbers like adventure; like getting in a fight with the man cause you don't have a permit. Â Hikers are boring and scared of stepping out of line. Â Hikers that think they are climbers are pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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