klenke Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 "Pass on the secrets, dude. How do you get down to a 15lb overnight pack?" It's called climbing all night, not stopping. Then a 15lb pack works just fine. Quote
erik Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Toast said: JoshK said: That's one of my favorite things about overnighting w/o technical gear now...15lb packs Pass on the secrets, dude. How do you get down to a 15lb overnight pack? who doesnt have a 15lbs overnight technical climbing setup?? i've got two! never will you catch this fat kid hikin big loads!! just plain dumb! unless of course for chivilrous reasons Quote
iain Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 fleblebleb said: What the hell happened to limiting groups to 12? it's probably four groups of 12. Quote
JoshK Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Disclaimer, this is my summer overnight gear, colder weather = more gear, but here is my best memory. I have actually all the weights in a spreadsheet at home since I am just that geeky. pack: go light gust...11oz pad: 3/4 ridgerest...9oz sleeping bag...WM something-or-other-lite...16oz bivy...integral designs endurance...10oz tarp...integral designs siltarp 5x8...10oz stove...snowpeak giga...3oz pot...smallish titanium or alumium pot...4 or 5oz To this basic gear I add an assortment of lightweight clothing, down coat, etc. depending on the conditions I am expecting. Minimizing weight in the 3 main areas of shlter, pack and sleeping back + cutting out totally unnesssary gear really gets you a long way. I was suspicous of super lightweight packs (basically just rucksacks) but with only 20lbs or less in them, it isn't a problem at all. Quote
erik Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 JoshK said: Disclaimer, this is my summer overnight gear, colder weather = more gear, but here is my best memory. I have actually all the weights in a spreadsheet at home since I am just that geeky. pack: go light gust...11oz pad: 3/4 ridgerest...9oz sleeping bag...WM something-or-other-lite...16oz bivy...integral designs endurance...10oz tarp...integral designs siltarp 5x8...10oz stove...snowpeak giga...3oz pot...smallish titanium or alumium pot...4 or 5oz To this basic gear I add an assortment of lightweight clothing, down coat, etc. depending on the conditions I am expecting. Minimizing weight in the 3 main areas of shlter, pack and sleeping back + cutting out totally unnesssary gear really gets you a long way. I was suspicous of super lightweight packs (basically just rucksacks) but with only 20lbs or less in them, it isn't a problem at all. pretty good josh, but overall pack weight includes rock gear and such too!!!!! i have marmot driclim bag tarp 1/2 a foamy ti cup/pot lil msr stove fuel can downy coat balacava gloves princeton-tec lamp 20 neutrino biners 8 assorted slings 4 cams 6 stoppers 3 lockers ti ice axe alum poons some sketchy ropes this is for standard summer casecade route under .9 Quote
Toast Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 So... my guess is, your pack weighs something closer to 25 maybe 30 lbs. Phew, now I don't feel so bad. Quote
Dave_Schuldt Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 JUST FILL THE PACK WITH THEN IT WILL BE WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote
JoshK Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 pretty good josh, but overall pack weight includes rock gear and such too!!!!! Yeah, for the most part that's true, erik. I was just referring to a camping-only overnight pack and no technical gear at all. I figured that was what toast was asking about since I specified that in my original post. In any event, I go with the neutrinos and other technical lighties as well. It's amazing what a bit here and a bit there can save, eh? Quote
catbirdseat Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Regarding party size limits, this field trip exceeds the usual limits of 6 for rock climbs and 9 for glacier climbs. We try to mitigate this by going really early, like 6 am before most hikers show up. They are sent out in groups of fewer than 6 at five minute intervals. Quote
Beck Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 (edited) I've got a Russian made titanium dutch oven I scored off Ted R., weighs about 12 ounces and doubles as a deadman or an offwidth bong on the technical bits. it's come in handy plenty of times on Mount Si as a makeshift helmet. Don't forget to wear your plastics! Edited February 28, 2003 by Beck Quote
Attitude Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Beck said: Don't forget to wear your plastics! For newbies planning to slog glaciers this season in plastics, a practice hike up Si in them is a pretty good idea. Quote
iain Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Attitude said: Beck said: Don't forget to wear your plastics! For newbies planning to slog glaciers this season in plastics, a practice hike up Si in them is a pretty good idea. do people pay to do this? Quote
Mountie Posted February 28, 2003 Author Posted February 28, 2003 Attitude said: Beck said: Don't forget to wear your plastics! For newbies planning to slog glaciers this season in plastics, a practice hike up Si in them is a pretty good idea. Hey, don't laugh. This happens Quote
Dustin_B Posted February 28, 2003 Posted February 28, 2003 Never have I seen the cc.com crowd so acceptive of the Mountaineers! Is this a new era? Quote
obsydian Posted March 1, 2003 Posted March 1, 2003 catbirdseat said: Regarding party size limits, this field trip exceeds the usual limits of 6 for rock climbs and 9 for glacier climbs. We try to mitigate this by going really early, like 6 am before most hikers show up. They are sent out in groups of fewer than 6 at five minute intervals. Everett does the whole class at one time up Si? I thought other Mountie branches put on conditioners like climbs, limited to 12, usually less, and did other locations besides Si? Quote
catbirdseat Posted March 1, 2003 Posted March 1, 2003 Everett does the whole class at one time up Si? I thought other Mountie branches put on conditioners like climbs, limited to 12, usually less, and did other locations besides Si? Perhaps other branches do, but bear in mind the Everett class is 40 this year compared to 200 at Seattle. It is something to discuss. Quote
meganerd Posted March 2, 2003 Posted March 2, 2003 This goes back aways, but I continue to not be able to understand the logic behind dumping the water out of your training pack at the top to avoid knee damage. Um... when you're really climbing/hiking/backpacking, you need to come down with all your actual gear, and you need to work up to that also, not just making it up. I agree that this might be a good idea to start off with because generally beginners knee support muscles (forgive me, no technical term) are in even worse shape than their thigh muscles, but as a general policy, I cannot agree with it. Quote
gapertimmy Posted March 2, 2003 Posted March 2, 2003 if you are going to do a training hike with water, and unnecessary weight, why not do it up a hill, say granite, where there are folks stationed at a look out tower over the weekends. You could be a hero and bring them a 6'er of schmidt, some and maybe even some Quote
obsydian Posted March 3, 2003 Posted March 3, 2003 meganerd said: This goes back aways, but I continue to not be able to understand the logic behind dumping the water out of your training pack at the top to avoid knee damage. When you have knees as old as mine, they only have so many descents left in them. It's not a matter of training them to handle the load down, it just they are plum worn out ! Quote
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