Rodchester

AlpineK: If I am the one holding a grdge then why did you even bring it up? What do you care about who I am friends with? or is this a case of I can dish it out but not take it? Your funny...

Mattp and Erik: Thanks for the info. I had looked at the Chouinard route in the old Bonney book as well as the SW Ridge. I was kind of thinking of staying away from Garnett Canyon as it can get quite crowded. Never been on Moran or even in the area. AlpineK, you really have a problem with this Carlos thing, don't you? Get some help man. Anyway thanks guys.

Mattp What is the name of the Ortenburger book? Is it still in print? Is it just on the tetons? Or others in Wyoming? Any info appreciated.

freeclimb9, Any idea what the route is rated? Thanks for the input. [ 02-18-2002: Message edited by: Rodchester ]

I am looking for any input on routes on Mt. Moran in the Tetons. I liklely be hauling my two nephews uop the peak, age 12. So I am looking for a very low fifth class 5.0 - 5.5. Maybe even a scramble. (Cl 3-4). Climbing in August of this year. Thanks!!! (Please spray on other posts)

DRU: I bet it is a TNF conspiracy..trying to keep him down. Fight the power!

AlpineK: Again, you are the one that said "Carlos is a great climber." I said he is a friend, and you know what, he is. Do you have a problem with having friends? You ought to try it some time. Are you that insecure that when someone says they have a friend you have to rip on them for having a friend? Do you slam those on this cite that climb with or have beers with F.Becky? (gee do you think anyone can see through you here?) Do you give head to your friends or something? Don't assume because you like to suck your friend's dick that others here do. I have many friends. This friend happens to have a very cool site about climbing. Since this is a climbing board I shared the site with others on the site. You, reeking of penis envy, simply attack.

CptCavie: That is a good one...

AlpineK: No that was you. We all know you secretly wear TNF products everywhere. You wear the long undies to bed every noght wishing you were like the sponsored guys. You know the funny thing is I have never even seen a slide show by carlos. (I know you were kidding, I am just thinking out loud.) [ 02-18-2002: Message edited by: Rodchester ]

CptCaveman: "I noticed how you beat your chest about this guy all the time. Good for you. Carlos is rad I am not. But who cares if you know him" I don't care if I know him why should you? What are you trying to say, that because I listed his web page that I am beating my chest? Come on Cavie don't put your dick out and not expect it to get stepped on. That was too easy. Come on guys...... Boy that is funny. I hope you are not serious. Alpine K: "I think he hangs out with Rod cause every time Rod sees him he starts fawning over him and then there's Rod's knee pads" Airplane sound here..... Your the one that said "Carlos is a great climber." I don't recall doing anything other than listing his web site...who's got knee pads on? And Trask you better listen to RURP. He claims (yet totally fails to back it up) that he can run the show better than old Lou Whittaker. But he is too busy out there actually doing it

It would suck if these people ruin Nepal. Seems like they are pretty serious, and did a lot of damage. I would seem odd if we took the "war on terrorism" to Nepal.

Well AlpineK start licking baby..... And trask, you know I agree with you that some of these guys go too far too often...but it is usually in fun. And as I said before...best climber in the world? Anyone who makes that statement about themselves.....deserves to be sprayed a little. But no doubt these guys are all great. I also found an Ed Viesters site I had not seen before at www.edviesturs.com. Not a bad site.

Hmmmm, maybe Dru? I wonder if the self appointed ethics police will attack this guy for his shameless self promotion. Clearly he has set out to become a media darling Can you belive anyone would do a slide show at a TNF store? Shame Shame Shame. Someone will now accuse him of killing his spouse, another will homopobically challenge his sexuality, you know the normal gutless postings. Don't take me too serious...spray away anyway.

AlpineK: "If I ran a guide service on Rainier I wouldn't let my guides take lunch breaks under the Ingraham ice fall... There I am now better than RMI." I agreeon that. "Rod I think it's really cool you know Carlos. Can I please lick your boots. Pretty please." Lick away baby, lick away.

Hey RURP: When are you going to tell us how to run a guide company better than old Lou? Remember when I asked if you could do better and how you would do it? You responded: "Could RURP do better. Yes, I think so." Start a thread or send me a PM. Enlighten me with your knowledge of the industry, liability, management, leadership, guiding experience, business plan, etc. And I do think that Tomaz is great, but "the best climber in the world" ??? Whatever.

This is a friend's web page. It is mostly climbing focused with some great pictures from all over. www.carlosbuhler.com If you have some free time surf by.

I tend to agree that unroped glacier travel poses a risk of crevasse falls and that there is a huge range of risk. Sometimes it's very reasonable to travel unroped. Many glaciers in Wyoming's Wind River Range are very large, but vey slow moving and flat resulting in few crevases and generally appearing in very predictable areas. Also many smaller glaciers in the Cascades are receeding and almost remants making the crevasses very predictable. Sure sometimes, in fact often, it is just stupid. But then again who cares. Your life, your risk. 2 cents

I thought about getting a horse to do a "drop pack" of food, fuel, and maybe the rack and rope. This would allow us to go a little heavy and stay for a while. I am looking at two weeks in Wyoming...not sure how I am going to split it up. Do any of you know any horse packers in the area? I know that Todd Skinner's uncle used to operate out of Pinedale. Price is a concern. I guess with six people the price could be worth it. Good beta guys, thanks a lot.

Lambone: The North Coulior is that the one between Tower 1 and Helen? The one you can see very clearly from Bonney/Dinwoody pass? I have been in the Titcomb Basin area a bunch and just love it. We are debating going back there or into the Cirque. I remeber Ellingswood and have heard there is a real long classic route on it. I assume it is the North Ridge. Which area do you prefer?

Hmmm...I'd say that peice of equipment is being retired. I think it deserves a ceremony and a decent burial.

Great beta...really appreciate it. Anyone know anything about ellingwood peak?

Did it destroy the helmet? Crack? Shatter? ??? Glad to hear you are OK.

Thanks for the beta...good site. I may drop you a PM as summer approaches for additional info.

Looking into a trip into the southern Winds this August (Cirque of the Towers). I am looking for any first hand beta regarding: Recommended peaks/routes (low to mid fifth class)near the Cirque? Approach to the Cirque? (Wondering if jackass pass is the best approach?) Any kick ass multip pitch routes within a half day walk from the cirque? Also looking for any beta on Petzoldts' Ridge on the Grand Teton? Is the start at the same level as the start for the complete Exum...only to the right? Thanks in advance.... Please keep the spray down to a minimum.

So as an example of what I have been talking about here: This is an excerpt from a private e-mail meessage I received. I will not reveal the poster's name. I think it is obvious he or she did not it to be released. It refers to the thread which baselessly blasted CB. "I respect you for standing up and taking an issue with the terrible bullshit that was propogated on this thread. I truly don't understand someone who will hide behind an alias and essentially tell someone behind their anonimity that they think it's their fault their spouse died in the mountains. I wish that you would extend sympathies to this person from me. I feel guilty just through association with this website. I do not conjecture on things of this magnitude and I do not like to be associated with negativity that is as real and mean spirited as what we've seen here." Hmmmm, Why is it people don't post here? Good to know there are people out there that know it was bullshit...to bad the bullshit chases them away.