Rodchester

www.carlosbuhler.com

http://www.around-n-over.org/

Erden's web page: http://www.around-n-over.org/ Wow....long trip.

My experinece that time of the year in the Tetons is that the weather is more of a concern than the snow pack. It can be quite bad, raining and not really warmed up yet. Of course, if the weather is great, then great. You will want to have cramp-ons and ice axe with the ability to use them on many of the approaches and descents. The rangers there are the best I've dealt with. (As stated by others). The Exum is a classic and it gets plenty of sunshine so it MIGHT be clear of snow and ice. I would love to do the Middle Teton glacier that time of year. If it is bad, then think about going over to City of Rocks in Idaho. A bit of a drive, but the weather is usually good that time of year. Also, the southern part of the Wind River Range tends to get less precip that time of the year. Have fun....

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/01/15/snowmobiles.last.ap/index.html

http://www.king5.com/travel/NW_011303TRBadventurer_eruc.1dea1fc4.html

OK I am a little hesitant to respond...so keep in mind this is what I was told by Erden. Basically what they BELIEVED happened was that when he fell the biner on the top piece (a wiregate) got wedged into the crack holding the pro. It was wedged perpendicular to the carck (parrallel to the ground). This pinched the biner, opening the gate. When it fully loaded with the leader's weight the gate was open (obviously at the biner's weakest position/point) and it failed. By that time he had a considerable amount of speed and force going and the seconda piece pulled. Don't quote me. This is what I took from a conversation with Erden at Carlos' slideshow afew weeks ago. I spoke with Erden today and he did not mention anything more about it. We were discussing his around the world epic. To Erden's adventure . P.S. What do the stars by our screen names mean?

Karl Forsgaard

Somebody called Daler a"corporate stooge." Get a grip. I've known daler casually for years. He is a no BS kind of guy, and noy way in hell is he a corporate stooge. Quite the name calling....its just not cool.

Not sure if I understand your statement. If you increase the length you will increase the surface. Did you mean increase the width?

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Plastics tend to have a sloppy fit when compared to leathers. Even when you crank down on the laces, plastics slip in the heel. Leathers tend to give a better, more snug fit allowing for more sensitivity and better foot work. It doesn't make a difference for hacks like myself...either way I suck.

I agree that the Zipka strap is concerning (though I have no first hand experience with it). I would go with the Tika Good luck.

www.carlosbuhler.com Good web page on Carlos

Wait about a month...maybe six weeks.

"In a perfect world, what services should the governments (from local to federal and all in between) of our great nation provide?" "In a perfect world," we would need any government.

OSU the worst undefeated team? Hmm.... guess you haven't been watching the tube much. They destroyed TTech. Which beat UTx. just today. They beat the number 3 team in the country WSU and kept Gusser to only one TD. They have one of the best kicking and special teams in the country. They have one of the best Ds too. Their rushing game is tough. And their QB was rated sixth best in passing efficiency. yeah they suck. Oh by the way. Iowa was offered a a chance to play OSU and they passed (scheduling problem, offer was made to Iowa and they passed...so OSU picked up what could, San Jose State). Remember Iowa lost to an unranked and in any league weak Iowa State. Als Iowa's media was sooo glad not to have to play OSU at the beginning of this season. Did you bother to read any of that? Sure Iowa is tough. But hey, lost to IU, OSU didn't. [ 11-16-2002, 11:45 PM: Message edited by: Rodchester ]

Reid Hedwall. Like it. Fun, interesting, but not real hard. Some exposure to potential falls that would take you for the big ride. Would do again. Want to do Sandy headwall this year.

Anyone use the MSR Simmerlight? Opinions? http://www.msrcorp.com/stoves/simmerlite.asp [ 11-13-2002, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: Rodchester ]

Ecrin Roc or Elios if you want to go light.

I am pretty sure the bar is the same for the G10 as the G12 (and G14). GregW: For an all around crampon go with steel. I would go with the new matic binding system that Grivel uses (Or whatever company's version of step in rear with strap front). Reason? I have used three crampons over the years with a metal front piece. One grivel 2F, one Stubai, and one Grivel Rambo. The metal front piece works just fine on any boot designed for it, and that is not worn down. I have a good pair of leathers that have plenty of miles still to go that cannot take my Rambos (wire front piece) any longer. Also the wire front piece is a bitch to work with when using overboots. Put simply, the new-matic system fits more boots, more easily. They adjust to over boots better, if you ever go to Alaska/Himalaya. They wil fit any boot the wire bail fits, but the wire bail will not fit everyboot they fit. Take a close lok at the Grivel G12. I am very happy with it. It fits a lot of boots, adjusts easily, very durable, and with agressive front points it does good on moderate ice. I have REALLY been impressed by the durability of the plastic used on the front piece too. Good luck...

"When Michael Moore asked Charlton Heston why other countries with high levels of gun ownership, like Canada and Switzerland, didn't have the same high rates of gun related deaths Heston replied that those countries didn't have the same "mixed ethnicity" problems as the US." Hahahahaha. Come on man. Switzlerland has soo many ethnicities, and Canada does as well. However, neither have anywhere NEAR the gun ownership in quantity or quality. The problem is in comparison. We can't campare Canadd with the US, or US with france...etc. There are no easy answers. [ 11-03-2002, 03:08 AM: Message edited by: Rodchester ]

rbw1996: Do you know of any OR cases that actually went to jury on products liability for climbing equipment? Just curious...also, any othem reported. Also has OR adopted Restatement (secoond) Torts 520 and 523? Most states have adopted 520 and 523. (Remember 520 and 523 are not climbing specific, but usually deal with heights, fire, and water) I have done research in OR on climbing specific accidents and have found nothing that I can recall. It was about a year ago. (I haven't done a jury verdict searches though, if I can get some fee search time that is a great way to see what makes it to the jury but does not get appealled). The thing is, when business/commercial attorneys and insurance companies advise on coverage issues theory are extremely careful. They always recommend coverage for the worst case scenarios, triggering more coverge than is often needed (for many reasons, not the least of which is underestimating is legal malpractice). Always tell your clients the worst case scenario. CYA. Any attorneys out there that know of case law on point from any jurisdiction, I would REALLY appreciate the citation. I have begun to keep a library on point.

Mattp: I agree generally. But I strongly believe that climbing (and SCUBA) is an abnormally dangerous activity (within the Restatement as I discussed above) and that anyone that participates accepts the risk. As such there is, and needs to be, a per se bar to suit....for negligence, including products liability actions. I do agree that 30% for attorneys is no big deal. Most people only hear about the million dollar awards, not about the risks involved, the funds the attorney must put up in order to bring and maintain the suit, or the suits that just plain tank out, neting nothing for the attorney. Funny thing is, when pressed most dfefense attorney s agree that 30% is no big deal. If they all thought it was a get risk quick scam they would all be doing it.

This is a better place for this topic. Though I do not believe that Erden has any intentions of seeking $$$ through the legal system. Someone said something about the freemarket taking care of problems. I often believe it is an effective way of addrssing problems. Keep in mind that many on both the right and left consider the tort system an active part of the free market system. Not in the sense of generating capital for plaintiff or thier lawyers, but in the sense that it is a tool used get corporations to behave properly and make products that are safe. Its not pefecxt but it does work.