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I've had numerous discussions over the years with my agent as my cache of *stuff* has grown. One of the first things we discussed was replacement of my climbing, backpacking, and caving gear. The way it would work for me thru State Farm is that I've provided a general list of stuff that formed the basis of the premium (gear, clothes, furniture, electronics, etc.) that insures that shit for full replacement value. As I add large chunks of new stuff, the list gets revised every few years and the premium adjusted for new shit, retired old shit, and inflation. It never really changes except by a few $$ this way or that, I don't hafta spend a lot of effort on lists and such, and everything gets replaced with new stuff. Like fer instance, clothing is currently estimated at $10k, recreational gear (all of it) is around $8k, electronics, etc.

I figger that lummox was prolly referring to those poor folks caught in the wildfires in CA when he started this thread, but I'm curious about smaller fires (ones that we ourselves might have some control over). So, how many of you have installed fire extinguishers in your living space? For years, I went about dumb and happy with a smoke alarm on each floor. Even after we got married, that was still the status quo. But immediately after we brought our little boy back from Vietnam, I ran right on down to Costco and bought the First Alert fire extinguisher 2-pack, and installed one in the (attached) garage and the washer/dryer utility rooms. Not feeling like I had done everything I could, I went back and bought another 2-pack and put one in the living room near the fireplace, and one at the top of the stairwell near the bedrooms. STILL not feeling like I had done all I could, I bought another, smaller unit and installed it in the kitchen within easy reach of the oven. My house may look like an advertisement for First Alert and Kidde, but I feel better about being able to snuff a blaze that otherwise would get out of control quickly. Has anybody else gone this far over the edge protecting their loved ones and stuff? Or an I just being paranoid?

I'd be leavin' those in the fire-rated safe downstairs. But for some odd reason I wouldn't trust the passports, birth/adoption certificates, and insurance papers in there. Would just feel better having those things with us.

The wife and child, all the pets (and there's a bazillion of 'em), and passports, adoption/birth certificates and insurance papers. Everything else is replaceable and insured. Let it burn!

Uhhhh, check your math, Necro. If she's more than half our age, that would put all of us at just under 30. Had ryland said "twice", I would agree with you. Not pokin' fun, but just want to get the #s straight. The new math strikes again! Why hasn't this thread died a quiet death yet?

As long as her website/agent/hypester didn't refer to her as the "All Around World Champion Climber", I wouldn't give a !

And that nutty Dru guy is an "autonomous collective" , which apparently explains his large post volume...

what? did i fall asleep for a month again? Naaah, lummox, you just drank too much again. Still got you the same result, tho.

No joy here in Yakivegas, too. I've seen them enough times in the past, tho, so I'm not too bit in the crotch about it.

Try these guys: PMI

Yah, yah, rub it in, TLG. grrrrrr...

so true. I found "developing forearms" to be a tad stiff for 5.9 in places. You mean, like, the exit move? Locked armbar and can't move anything or ya peel? Yah, I know about that... Inverted a cam on a whipper from the exit move...

Drive time from Seattle (I-5/I-90 intersection) to RC is about 3 hours, doing teh speed limit. It's just under 2.5 hours to Yakivegas (in forgiving conditions), then about another 20 minutes or so to the parking pull-out.

It's looking as if we might be able to see the sky tonight. Cool! Clear as a bell out here in Yakivegas tonight... I'm heading out to the Tieton where it's dark!

Where do you get those gremlins? Is there a webpage of them somewhere? Put your mouse cursor over the graemlin, right click, select "Properties, then copy/paste to your browser. Unless your trying to get ahold of thelawgoddess's graemlins. They're "protected", and she's got the best stash of 'em I've seen.

I hardly think so...

So why the hell don't sailors finish a bowline? I learned it for a number of reasons and learned to tie it with one hand. But nobody EVER told me to finish a bowline when I was tying into a harness on deck. Sailors don't finish a bowline for one major reason: You don't need to. If it comes undone, you turn into the wind, grab the clew, and retie it. Yah, you lose time (if you're racing), but for whatever reason, you just don't back them up. It's not like you're going to die if it comes undone, unlike while climbing... And as far as tying in on deck, just use an SOSuspenders instead of roping in. No sense getting tea-bagged (non-sexual version) by being all wired into the boat. Just go over teh side, get wet, and POP! You're saved!

WARNING: Old skewl wanker weighing in... I have always used a doule bowline with the Yos finish, and *it has never come untied* in over 15 years of using it. The rewoven 8 gets too bound up to untie easily after climbing, so I don't intend ever to use it unless some credible info crops up which casts serious dispersions upon the DB. Secondly, I learned the DB while caving, before I started climbing and waaay long before I started sailing. The bowline is one knot which cavers learn can save their very ass cuz it's the one knot that can hold body weight in a raise and *can be tied with one hand*, as would an injured caver. Sailors experience the bowline coming undone *because you don't finish a bowline* as a matter of standard practice on a sailboat. SO you all are talking apples and oranges when comparing bowlines for use in sailing v. climbing. And lastly, a double looped 8 will take less tightening on the knot because teh force in a fall is applied more to teh double looping around teh harness. Remember your "wrap three, pull two" mantra from rigging for rescue techniques? QED.

Sorry, but I'm not for sale.

Just got my copy of "The Guide" yesterday. Schweeet! Bring on the bone-chillin'!!

There's only about 3 genres of music that I could really do without... rap, hip hop, and twangy country 'nuf sed.

OK, you make a good point. But you are talking about a minute quantity of water over a large span of time (relative to each other) to make this (salt deposit formation) happen. Nothing like the quantities of water that would be required to form climbable cryogenic formations. Let's say this: In Eastern WA, in general, the water that forms ice climbs in the Coulees is deposited and stored during the summer and fall as irrigation water that perks into the shallow soil horizon. It later emerges as "groundwater" seepage and freezes at the surface to form ice climbs. I think it is safe to say that it is not from any naturally occurring aquifer in the coulees.

Try Columbia. I hear Medien is still puttin' out some pretty good stuff...

Somebody on that other board has waaaaaaay too much time on their hands. I'm still here stuck at work tonight.

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