Winter

I love getting told off by the barkeep, reeking like tobacco for a week, and having a dart thrown at my head by a pissed off bagpipe player in a skirt, but I guess I can forego the Horse's Ass for a night. Where the hell is the Rose & Drip .. sort of sounds like Sparky's over on Stark ... not that I have a problem with that. [ 11-18-2002, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: Winter ]

If TG comes do we get free IPA from Pro Row?! Come on DFA ... or are you really just trask?

Hey Sketch - I was with rbw on Saturday. Did we run into you in the blizzard near the top of Palmer with you guys screaming at us asking whether we had seen someone traveling solo?

I think we had decided on this Thursday at pro-row. No time yet ... how about 7 pm? Maybe the good Dr. would like to show his bolt-clipping face?

Re Adams in the Winter, a two-day ascent of the South Side would be brutal. Its about a 10-mile approach to the trail head from where they stop plowing the road, and most people do it in two days from there. Plan on 3, but a quick overnight may fit the bill for the pure suffer factor. After 20+ miles of skinning and skiiing in two days, my feet were toast.

Count me in.

So what happened to the Portland Pub clubs that were supposed to be a weekly event? TG has provided a pretty good list of options.

quote: Originally posted by MtnGoat: "I have no power to prove anything to you." You most certainly do! Your renunciation of travel for pleasure and actually doing the same would prove your commitment to non selfish use of resources. We can argue over who provide what stats for other issues, because that can be difficult to prove... but if you simply do not travel for pleasure because you are not so selfish as to use the earths resources, you can certainly and amply prove it with your actions. If you really, actually, never go to the mountains again, it will certainly be impossible for me to catch you doing so, won't it? Thus completing your proof. "Your consistent anti-community stance" I must have missed where a refusal to accept your reasons it's OK for force ones neighbors into compliance with ones own selfish goals became "anti-community". I'm all for community. I just don't define it by my ability to march around justifying my use of others lives because I "care" so much more than them. Tell us again how respecting other people and their right to live their lives and cooperate with each other by choice is "anti-community". "and ability to create facts to bolster your bullshit arguments""' you are completely in control of the ability to create the fact that you do not use resources for selfish wants. as I've said, if you *actually* do so, it's impossible for anyone to prove differently. I've been lurking throught most of these political threads and posting once in a long awhile. I have to say, though, that MtnGoat has some serious self-esteem issues he's working out on this BB. He takes the opportunity and hours of time to use a rather anonymous (and certainly not face-to-face) forum to pick apart everyone's written political comments in an effort to convince everyone of his conservative viewpoints. MtnGoat, my friend, if you care so much about the issues you write about, then why the hell are you wasting your time posting this crap on the internet, trying to convince a bunch of apolitical climbers that GW Bush is the best thing since sliced bread?! Whoa, you must really be dedicated to your causes if you've chosen this forum as the best way of advancing your ideals and philosophies, which I assume are the best for either each individual or the community as a whole. If you really cared about someone other than yourself, then wouldn't you take to the streets with your amazingly unique and inciteful convictions? Or perhaps its only the climbing community you care about, and you are simply trying to help us all live a more responsible and enjoyable life. Or ... maybe you just want to convince yourself and everyone else on this BB that you are actually worth something ... which you undoubtedly are. Run for office. Sign up with the Christian Coalition. Get active in the Libertarian Party. If you're limiting your political activity to voting and ripping apart everyone else's comments, then perhaps you just feel the need to be better than eveyone else on this BB. Do you believe all this stuff? Then get out there and preach it in person and stop wasting so much damn time in front of your computer, man. There are better ways to make a difference no matter what your political affiliations are. Maybe this is just a case of a little envy? - Chris

I just flew down the Columbia River Gorge in a Cessna yesterday and its completely frozen. Ya better get out there!

Let's try this again. The rich are not getting punished, because they are giving up FAR LESS of their basic needs in taxes then are the poor. 20% to a poor person means food from the table. 35% from a rich guy means one less vacation home. You can focus all you want on the percentages, but that's a convenient way to avoid the large impact that a small amount of money has on a poor person compared to the small impact that a large amount of money has on a rich person.

Greg W - Flame on dude. 35% of a rich person's income means less to that person in meeting their basic needs than 20% of the income of a poor mother with three kids. The rick aren't getting punished. That's the theory behind the progressive tax. Anyone crying fairness over the flat tax either has no idea about a poor family's budget or simply wants to fuk the poor.

C'mon Rob - The rich get taxed more because they can afford it. 35% of a poor person's income means a lot more to that person with respect to meeting basic needs than 35% of a fat cat's income. That's the theory behind the progressive tax that has been in place for years. I say tax the rich. The republican line is that the flat tax, theoretically, generates the same amount of income for the government, but it generates more savings ... which is supposed to stiulate the economy. What that really means is that the rich are taxed less (creating more savings) and the poor are taxed more, increasing the disparity in wealth. The flat tax is little more than trickle down economics dressed up in new clothes. I say legalize it and tax the sinners. Hey, you wanna climb this weekend? The woman is off to City of Rocks (ain't it gonna be cold?), and Red Rocks gave me an itch I need scratch. - Chris

Tech fans? Pitt romped for the 2nd year in a row. Alomst like the days of Hugh Green and Dan "can I snort the sideline?" Marino.

people actually live in vegas? i thought they were there for the tourists to look at.

Suckers. That was troll. You think I'm gonna climb that choss in the rain? Earlier this spring I saw some guy deck out 'cause his pro pulled from soft rock on an infrequently traveled route. I thought he has dead, but he just go the wind knocked out of him. If it rains I'll be at the In n Out Burger. Erik, we'll be at 13 mile this weekend. I look something like my avatar image.

quote: Originally posted by Jason Martin: Winter, It's supposed to rain in Red Rocks this weekend. Jason BAHHH! Who cares? You can climb sandstone in the rain ... or snow. Looks like it'll be dry by Sunday and I'm there through Tuesday night.

Red Rocks and $10 all you can eat cajun buffets at the Orleans casino! It doens't ever rain in the desert does it?

Use a reverso. I struggled with this question and messed around a bit and found the reverso much easier to deal with when using two ropes. You don't have to deal with knots flipping, and its auto-locking, so you have a lot more flexiblity in rope management. The reverso wins on the cluster fuck factor.

losers

Yeah, and that was supposed to be the "highly recommended" variation according to the Thomas guide. I had a 30lb+ block bounce right over my head and another split in two, with the two death cookies shooting past on either side of me. Not fun.

Ahhh I was just dissin the PDX pub club scene with rbw this weekend (Mt. Washington is a complete freakin' pile of choss in case anyone cares). I will try to rearrange a schduled visit to Laurelhurst for Goldmember. Who are u people anyway?!

quote: Originally posted by iain: How many Mt. Hood climbers rent an MLU? I don't think I've ever seen one on the mountain. Has one of those things ever been credited with assisting a rescue?

quote: Originally posted by Beck: A Backcountry Boarding forum would be a worthwhile addition, you could call it, "FRESHIEZ" Or maybe "Knuckledraggers on Ice."

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: quote:Originally posted by Greg W: Jon, with contests and all it sounds like this could be pretty organized. Are we going to put tape on our helmets with our screennames on them and wear them around the campsite? who wears helmets? (duh!) how about we ladies just put the tape on our asses since we know that's where you guys'll be looking anyway. I'm not sure we have that much tape.

I spent one day in the City after severe weather chased us from the Winds. I loved the place. I highly recommend Bloody Fingers and the other trad routes nearby. You should also stop at the local gear store in Burly and ask for Beta on the new moderate multi-pitch sport routes that aren't in the guide. I didn't do them but got the beta and they sound like a lot of fun in an area that is predominantly limited to single pitch climbing. If you like to climb hard, bring your balls for this place.