Winter

quote: Originally posted by RobBob: DFA, you're all right for a liberal!! Shouldn't that be "you're liberal for an all right sport climber."

quote: Originally posted by Dr Flash Amazing: Winter - what about vinyl for the home, CDs for the road? Sure, vinyl sounds warm and chunky at home, but recorded tapes, it must be admitted, do not sound as good as CDs. PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE top! CD's for the road ... sounds nice but you would need: a) money to buy dupilcate copies of the same album, and b) a CD player in your card. I have neither. Analog sounds better than digital anyway ... digital sampling sux, 'cause you're missing a good part of the music.

Johnny Cash - Folsom Prison Stones - Exile EmmyLou - Luxury Liner Leo Kottke - Mudlark Jon Prine - Sweet Revenge Doc Watson - anything Bill Monroe - High Lonesome Sound Bob Dylan - Nashville Skyline G Love Peope who ride in the car with me get sick of vinyl on cassettes. CDs are for the masses. Live the low-fi.

Is there a shindig at Smith this weekend? I'm headed down there and wouldn't mind meeting soem of the warped spray lords on this site, even if its only for beer in the grasslands.

The terrain at backdoor sux and is topped only by the horrible snow conditions.

Meadows sux! Ride ski bowl.

skiing sux. american idol rules.

COGENTRIX PUTS GRIZZLY POWER PROJECT ON "MARKET HOLD". Dear Supporters, The press release below is good news indeed, because with the new water mitigation rules passed, Cogentrix could continue processing their water right permits. I am curious to know whether this "market hold" has to do with the changing market conditions, Cogentrix' financial shakiness or the overwhelming opposition in Central Oregon. I would guess that all three are playing a part in the decision. While this is a far cry from the Cogentrix plant being completely dead, at least it will buy us time, time that we need to change elected officials and take definitive steps to protect our resources, particularly the groundwater in Central Oregon. We will continue with all vigilance and keep you posted on new developments. Best regards, Mary Zemke, Founder STOP Cogentrix PS I'm not taking down my "NO Cogentrix" signs yet! From bend.com news sources Originally Posted September 25, 2002 at 1:38 pm Reference Code: PR-6371 September 25 - Media Contacts: Jef Freeman 704-525-3800 Jeffreeman@cogentrix.com NEWS RELEASE For Immediate Release Cogentrix Puts Grizzly Power Project on Market Hold Current power market conditions not conducive for project to continue in active development. Charlotte, NC-September 25, 2002-Cogentrix Energy, sponsor of the proposed 980 MW Grizzly Power project in Jefferson County, Oregon has placed the project on market hold. The project will remain of interest to the company for possible activity when market considerations are more conducive to the project moving forward. Accordingly, the Oregon Energy Facility Siting Council and other Oregon permitting agencies have been asked to defer their review of the project until notified otherwise. Circumstances within the electric power marketplace are very different today from what existed when we began developing the Grizzly project. Numerous events on both the supply and demand side of the industry make moving forward with the active development of the project impractical at this time. While regrettable, we believe that putting the project on hold until market conditions improve is the prudent course of action. We want to express our appreciation to everyone that supported our efforts to date, particularly the Madras/Jefferson County Chamber of Commerce staff for their tireless efforts on our behalf and those of their community. As is often the case with projects of this magnitude, opinions vary widely and the Grizzly project was not immune from debate. Under such circumstances it is often easier for community leaders to remain silent. This did not occur here. We are truly indebted to the Madras and Jefferson County elected and civic leaders for the time spent separating fact from fiction about our project. We appreciate them, their time and their support of the project, said Jef Freeman, Vice President of Public Affairs for Cogentrix. Cogentrix Energy, Inc., headquartered in Charlotte, NC, acquires, develops, owns and operates electric generation and other power assets in the United States and internationally. Cogentrix has, in whole or in part, equity interests in 27 facilities in 14 states with a total generating capability of approximately 7,800 megawatts. For more information on Cogentrix, visit the corporate website at www.cogentrix.com. --- Mary Zemke --- mzemke@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. [ 09-25-2002, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: Winter ]

quote: Originally posted by Terminal Gravity: quote:Originally posted by Peter Puget: But I am afraid we have moved far afield from TG's initial post on this thread. PP There are some great posts on this thread. The subject of soloing is an interesting one to me. But, the subject of the responsibility to others when posting advice I think is an important issue on this board. I have often stated on this board that I think that glacier travel without a rope can have an acceptable level of risk for a very experienced climber under certain conditions. I doubt very many would un-equivicably disagree. I would hate to think that a newbie would prance off across a glacier saying " I want to be like TG...If that fat old fuck can do it; so can I!" I think that it should be stated that nothing on this board should be taken as gospel. Every climber is ultimately responsible for their own actions. I also think that within reason, every poster should feel free to post any opinion they have. Here's the thing, climbers have this weird dynamic between often needing and appreciating a good mentor while also preaching self-reliance, creativity and independence. Either way, you end up with a lot of arrogant strong-men talking back and forth to each other about esoteric climbing jargon. I love that shit, and its great to read, but if someone is going to seek wisdom on free solonig from the words of some anonymous web personas, then best of luck to them. TG, I would never feel bad about the type of advice you gave. Keep it up.

Here's a couple that should keep you busy for awhile: Crime and Punishment - this may be the best nobel ever written. Daunting in size, it actually reads fairly quickly and I got through it in about 3 days in Africa and wanted more. The Magus (John Fowles) - A tale of deception and mystery on a GreeK Isle during WWII ... this is a sleeper ... a great book that keep you interested. Enjoy.

quote: Originally posted by Dr Flash Amazing: quote:Originally posted by Paco: Winter, you failed to include the 5 gallon bucket of chalk that is often seen with said sport climbers. You're thinking of boulderers, wanko. They're the ones with the crash pads, boom boxes, chalk troughs, Red Bull, and an affinity for shitty techno "music." Due to genetic isolation at Smith Rock, the once rare sport climbing species suffered generations of in-breeding, producing a new species virtually identical to the original but for the biologically programmed fear of ropes and protection.

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: quote:Originally posted by Gordonb: So who is going to be in Leavenworth the end of Sept? We should have a rather large group drinking copius quantities in 8 mile campground planing what route to fall off next. i hate campgrounds. but if you promise to have marshmallows, long sticks, and a big fire i might be persuaded to stop by. I don't know about the long sticks, but I'm sure there'll be plenty of marshmallows in this group.

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: quote:Originally posted by Dru: nononono - second week of october is Leavenworth; second week of November is Smiff Rox Tuffy-tuff. i'll be there the first weekend of october. someone with an emt or wfr certification might want to be on hand at the bottom of the pope in case i never make it to the first clip. If you were a true sport climber you would be wearing two crash pads on your back with a dozen quickdraws and a boom box shoved in the middle, sandwiched around a case of red bull, a cheap digital movie camera and a copy of "How to Climb 5.12."

[ 09-13-2002, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: Winter ]

Oh yeah, and Crystal is rippin' up our public lands as well, expanding into an extremely popular area for b-c skiers: Crystal's Expansion Plans

My humble suggestion would be to send your $275.00 to the groups working on this project with a letter cc'd to Dave Riley that his planned project stinks. The other option would be to ski at Ski Bowl (cool steep terrain) whilst still sending Mr. Riley the above-mentioned letter. I've also been thinking of organizing group "Anti-Meadows" outings to Ski Bowl to flex the consumers' collective muscles so to speak (again with the apppropriate letter to Riley). As for D-Dog mixin' it up with FW, I'll stay out of it. Aw right ... maybe not. FW - EF! means Earth First!, which doesn't peg him as a "terrorist" or a monkeywrencher but simply an activist. And as for the word "terrorist," one day our group intelligence will prevail, and we'll realize its awfully hard to terrorize an '86 chevy.

quote: Originally posted by thelawgoddess: quote:Originally posted by sk: MAYBE!!! But I would have to change some plans, I will get back to you for sure.... is this one girls only??? or should I look for a sitter so jk can come too??? i need jk to be there as witness when i bbq the pope. besides, we need some men around so we have something to use the leather whips on! and to clip that first bolt on the pope.

aw shit ... dfa just called cavey out. wonder if the prehistoric dude can hang with the flame.

quote: Originally posted by Fairweather: Winter, even though I hate your politics, I'm still with you on the Cooper Spur thing. I've written letters. And your support (of Cooper Spur) is appreciated. Send me the letters you wrote, because I would be interested in seeing them.

Hey stickclip - I was in the Cirque a few weeks ago and scoped out the NE Face of Warbonnet. What happened? Beta would be appreciated, as I will be headed back. We got seriously stormed on while we were there ... chased off the east face of Pingora by lightning and hail. No time for Warbonnet.

The highlight for me was the pile of pigeon shit I grabbed as I pulled onto the second belay station after the crux. mmmmmm. pigeon shit. really made me want to bite the rope for clips on the last two pitches. hope y'all had a good time last weekend.

quote: Originally posted by rbw1966: Not sure if they got the onsite or the redpoint. I'm going bacck for the brownpoint this winter, Winter. Wanna join in the staining? Brownpoint - Shitting your pants while sending a 5.12c on Upper Yocum. Count me in.

Is that someone on-site'ing Yocum Ridge?

Yeah really. Why would anyone bolt a crack climb at Smith? I doubt anyone would intentionally try to bring the climb down to their level like that. Aren't they're some sort of unposken ethical rules or something at that place?

FW - Mostly I was just spouting off again as usual. I admit I'm full of garbage. But this trash talker seems to think that if your biggest concerns over personal liberty involve seat belts and radio, then you've got it pretty good right now. That makes you pretty damn fortunate in relation to immigrants, blacks, hispanics, arabs, tree-sitters, gays, homeless, crack babies, and sport climbers (sorry DFA). Equal rights for bolt clippers!! Go with the Flow, FW. It ain't noble, but it is easy.