AlpineK

quote: Originally posted by Fairweather: Mtn Goat, Wind power; hydrogen; solar; all good ideas seriously worth spending billions researching. ....But rest assured those like AlpineK would quickly find fault in those energy sources too. You see, what they really hate is that humans (ESPECIALLY Americans) are "living too well". I believe they will always see the glass as half-empty. They are tortured by the guilt of living their own good lives. ...just MHO You are totally wrong and off base to charactorize my views that way. I could charactorize you. All you are about is money and fucking over the less fortunate. You like big business. So I bet like Enron screwed retired folks out of their life savings you are trying to screw someone. I don't agree with MtnGoat, but at least he doesn't make broad statements about what I believe in.

Well even if you don't like the science behind global warming. Burning fosile fuel causes polution in big citys health problems getting a good chunk of energy from outside the US Don't you think its in our interest in terms of health and national security to get our energy on our own soil. Biodiesel is available today, and with some government support hydogen could be a practical fuel source in a decade. It wouldn't be the first time government funding speeded up a technology. Why if it wasn't for the space race we would have much slower computers right now.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: AVOID THESE PLACES: Charles Hotel and Green Canyon Motor Inn in Boston Bar; The Jolly Miller Pub in Sardis; Totem Hotel buffet in Lillooet; Klahanie Inn in Squamish; Mountain Burger House in Squamish; Pemberton Hotel in Pemberton. Mountain Burger rules. Old school Squamish not a trendy place

I think maybe the National Academy of Science has a lot more real science to back up it's claims than some goat. They did their study at the request of the Bush Admin. I know you won't change your mind, but your views are in the overwhelming minority. Where did you get your info? Probably the Cato institute or some oil company institute of, "science." [ 07-16-2002, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

quote: Originally posted by RedMonk: ah man! not that grammar shit again! oh and i always say, "better two blue pills before you leave, than two blue bags while you are on the glacier." never taken a shit on rainier thanks to the ol' anti-diarheah pills... I hear you like to puke in the mountains....so what's your favorite poptart flavor?

Where's Fairweather and his tobacco science?

quote: Originally posted by allison: You've got that wrong, K. Matter of fact I just took our ailing friend Sayjay for a walk around Greenlake yesterday! Yeah I'm generalizing, but I am mostly right. I know you won't admit it but thats ok.

All the women on this site hate each other.

To all of you that can kick my ass in real life: Hey when do we get to see holly and SK fight?

To be a good conservative you need to stereotype liberals using Retro's list, and you need to stick your head up your ass.

I'm down with the Ballroom. Despite the fact (or maybe because) that it's a, "heinous meat market."

OK anyway.... So we should drink outside. Either Golden Gardens or some bar with outside seating. Right now fires are banned at GG, so what do ya'll think? [ 07-08-2002, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

quote: Originally posted by ScottP: Small wires on a biner. Large wires on a biner. Two/three small cams on a biner. Medium/large cams on its own biner. All this on gear slings; wires in front, cams in back, smallest to largest. I mostly agree, but I put small cams on their own biner. If I know I'm climbing a hand sized crack I'll shift the small stuff to gear loops. Figure out what works best for you!

Here's something from an EPA site I found via a short search. One would think that if that wasn't the official Bush administration position they wouldn't say that we are altering our climate: Once, all climate changes occurred naturally. However, during the Industrial Revolution, we began altering our climate and environment through changing agricultural and industrial practices. Before the Industrial Revolution, human activity released very few gases into the atmosphere, but now through population growth, fossil fuel burning, and deforestation, we are affecting the mixture of gases in the atmosphere. Also: Rising global temperatures are expected to raise sea level, and change precipitation and other local climate conditions. Changing regional climate could alter forests, crop yields, and water supplies. It could also affect human health, animals, and many types of ecosystems. Deserts may expand into existing rangelands, and features of some of our National Parks may be permanently altered. Most of the United States is expected to warm, although sulfates may limit warming in some areas. Scientists currently are unable to determine which parts of the United States will become wetter or drier, but there is likely to be an overall trend toward increased precipitation and evaporation, more intense rainstorms, and drier soils. Unfortunately, many of the potentially most important impacts depend upon whether rainfall increases or decreases, which can not be reliably projected for specific areas. Also: Nevertheless, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) stated there was a "discernible" human influence on climate; and that the observed warming trend is "unlikely to be entirely natural in origin." In the most recent Third Assessment Report (2001), IPCC wrote "There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities." Source: EPA Global Warming Site Sounds like the Bush Admin thinks Global Warming is real. [ 07-07-2002, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

Fairweather, Yes I was making a general statement which you can't take literally. However, seeing that the majority of scientists agree that the rapid temperature changes we are starting to see are caused by humans, and since reports to the contrary lack peer review, I think you are getting your, "science," from sources that are suspect. Anyway even the republican Bush Admin admits that humans are to blame for rapid climate change. They just don't want to do anything about it. As to my sources why not talk to Sajay for more info. She posts here and she studies climate change. [ 07-07-2002, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

Dam Trask where do you find that shit.

Glen the majority of scientists think that humans are causing a much more rapid warming of the earth than nauture ever did. Even the Bush Admin agrees with this [ 07-07-2002, 09:35 PM: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

In some sense the debates we've had about human caused global warming are kind of funny. I mean we all have little power to effect anything. However, one thing that I've gotten out of it has been a new source of fuel for my chipper. For the last month I've been running biodiesel in my chipper. The chipper runs great, and instead of stinky black diesel smoke it smells like popcorn when I run it. The down side is it cost more, $2.50/gal, but on the positive side I'm not contributing to net CO2 increases, I don't have to inhale nasty fumes, and I'm supporting American farmers. If you live near Ballard and have a diesel engine I recommend the stuff. You can check out more info at: Dr. Dans

quote: Originally posted by Dennis Harmon: ... it takes more energy to split off the hydrogen atom from the H2O molecule than can be derived from the process. Dennis Ding dong Dennis. So I found some stuff from a report for the National Library of Congress. The disclaimer at the bottom of the page says the report is, "nonpartisan." quote: Steam Reforming Steam reforming is a chemical process that makes hydrogen from a mixture of water and a hydrocarbon feedstock... The energy content of the hydrogen produced is actually higher than that of the natural gas consumed, but considerable energy is required to operate the reformer, so the net conversion efficiency is typically only about 65 percent.(8) Hydrogen produced by this technique can cost as little as 65¢ per kilogram.(9) So Dennis you get 65% efficiency from this process. If you were right there would be less than 0% efficiency. There are a few other methods of producing hydrogen too. Anyhow bite me Dennis. You are an idiot Source: CRS Report for Congress [ 07-06-2002, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

RedFunk, I don't think Dennis, and I know I'm not bashing on America. I just think we should set a good example; especially since we've got so much money compared to countries like Indonesia. I think it is in our economic best interest to move to an economy fueled by hydrogen (which would solve global warming problems) Not only that, but I think it's in our national security interest to stop burning oil. Think about it; how many wars have we fought in the middle east. Maybe we should get our fuel from somewhere else. (and Alaskan oil ain't going to do it). [ 07-06-2002, 09:02 PM: Message edited by: AlpineK ]

Dennis, I don't think you've met one of the other long time posters, "Fairweather," but you're about to... He's going to give you links to sources like the Cato(SP?) Institute, who's financial backing comes from industries opposed to any kind of change in types of fuel used by the US. Also Fairweather will give you links to, "scientific," studies that lack peer review, but have funding from the institutions I noted above. Have fun with Fairweather; I think he's got a lot of stock in Texaco and such.

quote: Originally posted by anthonysmarocks: P.S. AlpineK, the early 80's, dude you are old. Yep I'm older than you and still climbing.

Ah Vantage, The first time I went there in the early 80's we didn't have a guide. I remember getting out of the car and thinking why the hell would anyone want to climb in this hellhole. Since then I have been back a few times, but every time I get there I feel my will to live slipping away. Face it Vantage is a great place to shoot a gun or get rid of an old junker, but it's a stupid place to climb. Yet some people get so worked up about it. I mean what the fuck, did this Bill guy kill thousands of people? No he didn't, so what's up with this Osama Bill Roberts or calling the removal of hangers a, "cowardly act of terrorism?" Bill Roberts is a loud mouth, but all of you that raise such a big stink about him are only promoting him. I don't have a problem with clipping bolts, but the more there are in an climbing area the stupider the climbing area is. CRACKS RULE!

quote: Originally posted by Dennis Harmon: AlpineK, Fuck you very much. How, exactly, did you or anyone decide that I was homosexual? An honest answer would be appreciated... if you are capable of honesty. Dennis How do you know I was saying you were homosexual? Maybe I thought you were going to give him a job pumping out your septic tank.

quote: Originally posted by Dennis Harmon: halfpint, I'd give you a job myself Dennis I don't think halfpint is looking for the kind of, "job," you would like to give him. [ 07-03-2002, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: AlpineK ]