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FW, True about destitute docs but overweight RNs. The RNs go to college and have to attend so many hours of continuing eduacation and obtain recertification. More gov't regulation to insure the best healthcare. 5K whether you like it or not the gov't has its hand in the healthcare industry! For better or worse. I don't have anything against government regulation and oversight. But if the government runs the entire system--like Matt wants--who will oversee the government? And you've gotta admit that an inordinate number of RN's are overweight. Okay, yes to the comment about the RNs but the population as a whole seems to be heading that way. I wouldn't want the gov't to run the entire system: insurance, healthcare facilities, etc.. Think that is called a monoply?! As with anything checks and balances are good.

What the socialists are proposing is to eliminate an industry (health insurance companies) and replace them with a state-run agency. this is far more than "having a hand" in the industry. It's nationalization and a move towards communism. Well, my take on some of the ideas whipping around in WA DC is not replacing the private insurance companies but revamping the controls surrounding what the insurance companies do and how they go about it.

What kind of states do you have for malpractice in WA or other staes? The whole insurance, healthcare system, prescription drug thing is complicated but something we will have to deal with sooner rather than later.

FW, True about destitute docs but overweight RNs. The RNs go to college and have to attend so many hours of continuing eduacation and obtain recertification. More gov't regulation to insure the best healthcare. 5K whether you like it or not the gov't has its hand in the healthcare industry! For better or worse.

I was responding to 5Ks point about the left not addressing some issues. I think the malpractice issue has driven up healthcare costs but I know in WA state it has also caused a shortage in some medical disciplines. I would think ultimately it relates to the bottom line of $$ for a universal system.

FW, Sorry to hear that! She may qualify for other assistance and most facilities have someone in the patient service department who can assist with that.

We are getting the best health care in the world. The best care is expensive - no surprises there. There are other things driving up costs - things the left deny repeatedly as factors: costs of malpractice insurance and litigation, costs for expensive procedures to prevent the latter, costs of prolong the lives of people in poor health, and the costs of an unhealthy population. They also refuse to accept the fact that many of the uninsured are uninsured by choice - they'd just rather spend their money on something else. My insurance premiums are high. But I'll be damned if I let the government step in and fuck them up even worse. They will. Shittier care for more money. You have a few valid points(though I don't think it is just the left) Our healthcare is a bit more expensive - true - but I wouldn't necessarily agree it is the best, but one of the best. Cost of malpractice insurance is high, especially for some specialties in WA state. Because of malpractice issues there are a number of surgerys that are done in other countries on a regular basis that are deemed experimental by most insurance companies in the US. As mentioned previously if more emphasis was put on overall health...this topic is a huge issue and costs you and I many more $$ than we realize!

To much time on your hands!

There will always be "issues" with any system or institution created and run by human beings. Nothing is perfect. So that's not a legitimate argument. 5K, Yea, we are only human and there will always be something but.... Wouldn't you agree that one of the big issues is how much we as a nation pay for health care and how much we are getting from those $$ we spend. I must confess if our health care system would put more emphasis on healthly lifestyles, health maintenance, etc. that would go far in reducing the overall cost of healthcare.

Dmuja, HBP will not effect your eyesight. Is she a diabetic?

FW - Did you read my previous post?? Seems like there are some issues, big ones, with our current healthcare system. It isn't any easy fix but seems like something needs to happen to improve this situation.

Agree that it is a very good thing to have and run by the state of WA. I think that it may help to instill a sense of responsibility for safety in the workplace.

I've acknowledged it many times if you and Matt have been paying attention. What I'm saying is that I'm willing to keep doing that as opposed to the socialist model the two of you seem to crave. Matt; re read your exchange with JayB. You clearly expressed a desire to see a government paid and government run health care system. Please explain how that is not socialist. It clearly is. FW, Gov't paid health care system - DSHS, L & I insurance, VA benefits, Indian Health Services, Medicare, and Medicaid all $$ come from our taxes. Something to think about: The U.S. spends more on health care, both as a proportion of gross domestic product (GDP) and on a per-capita basis, than any other nation in the world. Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at approximately 16% of GDP. The health share of GDP is expected to continue its historical upward trend, reaching 19.5 percent of GDP by 2017. In 2007, the U.S. spent a projected $2.26 trillion on health care, or $7,439 per person. According to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, the U.S. is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not have a universal health care system. In the United States, around 84% of citizens have some form of health insurance; either through their employer (60%), purchased individually (9%), or provided by government programs (27%; there is some overlap in these figures). Certain publicly-funded health care programs help to provide for the elderly, disabled, children, veterans, and the poor, and federal law mandates public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. U.S. government programs accounted for over 45% of health care expenditures, making the U.S. government the largest insurer in the nation. Per capita spending on health care by the U.S. government placed it among the top ten highest spenders among United Nations member countries in 2004. Americans without health insurance coverage at some time during 2006 totaled about 16% of the population, or 47 million people. Health insurance costs are rising faster than wages or inflation, and "medical causes" were cited by about half of bankruptcy filers in the United States in 2001.

If it's your razor blade we'll all need a tetnous shot!

Thanks for keeping cc.com sliding along smoothly!!

I was wondering if could be a gov't hack checking to see if 5K had the scoop on what is really happening in Georgia!!

In Leavenworth we often get some very nice up the Icicle Road, Tumwater Canyon, etc. with only a 2.5+ hour drive.

It rained here in Leavenworth beginning at about 9:30ish p.m. to about 4:30ish! They are calling for more tonight and into tomorrow.

PM sent!

What kind of ammo are you using pink?? Some other grow operations and so far no weapons. http://wenatcheeworld.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080813/NEWS04/162420297&SearchID=73327225856347

Rob, A similiar thing happened about 15 years ago when I signed up for a visa debit card. The card didn't come for about 2 weeks and then I recieved a notice that my account was overdrawn. WTF - I had 1,200+ dollars in there. Come to find out some bank teller had rerouted some cards to a PO Box number and drained a number of other accounts. Meanwhile, I insisted that they temporarily redeposit half as the transactions were all in Portland area and I had documentation I was in Seattle the whole time. Long story short - within 1 month I had all my money and they credited all the overdraft fees. Suggestion, be polite but chew their butts with consistent calls, etc. and work with one or at the most two individuals on it. Good luck!

Gag me with a pitch fork!! How about a pork sword instead? I am so witty, so witty and pretty am I! Can you be witty in a box? Can you be pretty as a fox? Can you be witty in your socks? Try it, try it! You will see, You can be pretty in a tree! Love it!!

Gag me with a pitch fork!! How about a pork sword instead? I am so witty, so witty and pretty am I!

Gag me with a pitch fork!!

You can't get proper Zubrowka here anyway... something about the grass in the bottle being a plant, therefore you can't bring it in. Of course how something that's been soaking in vodka for months would harbor anything living is beyond me. Maybe I just need to harvest some bison grass seeds next time I'm visiting Poland, plant them in my garden and then I can have all the Zubrowka I want. BTW, if you like Zubrowka, try mixing it with apple juice... makes for a fantastic drink we Poles call the "szarlotka" (loosely translates to "apple pie"). Luksusowa is OK. I have some bad experiences with Luksusowa from my college years, so I keep away from it. Chopin is much nicer. And yeah, KKK, Belvedere has a pretty bottle but the contents aren't as good as they should be. Chopin is very good but $$$. I grew up with parents that enjoyed wines - mostly whites and some reds, so I can definitely suck down a bottle of good vino.