el jefe

have you seen this one, rudy? http://www.planetmountain.com/english/News/shownews1.lasso?keyid=36962 old grampas pull down in eurotown. we're still arguing about whether it is ok to hangdog, place bolts on rappel, yada yada. meanwhile, euros are out pulling down. we all need to just go climbing more.

i agree completely. someone needs to tell him he has to wait until he's older.

to my mind, "cascadeclimbers" refers to the region where the climbers are located, not necessarily the climbing that they do. we are a community of sorts based upon what we do (climb) and where we live (somewhere near the cascades range). this site breaks up the washington cascades into very specific regions ("alpine lakes", etc) but manages the rest of the world with broad categories such as "oregon cascades", "alaska", "canada", etc -- indeed, the farther one gets from seattle, the broader the categories become (e.g., "rest of the u.s. and international" covers everything farther away than idaho). perhaps a redesign such as the one layton is suggesting would more accurately reflect the climbing that is being done by the climbers who live in the cascades region.

kenny, looks like i'm not one of the cool kids after all...

if i follow you, joseph, then you are saying there needs to be an independent "beacon" forum for all things beacon-related and that anything pertaining to stuff in the gorge that isn't beacon should be put in the "columbia river gorge" forum? i'm also assuming that this proposed "beacon only" forum will be password protected...

tlc as well?

ok, stevetimetravlr, where were these photos taken? or is this turning into another one of those "i've got a secret crag" threads...

yes, post up some info so we can all learn something about this place. how big is the cliff? multipitch? average length of a pitch? number of established lines? grades? standard rack? driving directions with estimated driving time from, for example, eugene, etc.

people who threaten to chop long-established routes are hardly undeserving of being flamed, just as people who threaten to place bolts at moolack can expect to have info as to that crag's location withheld from them.

no, checat, i haven't been there. smug assholes such as you won't tell anyone where it is so irreverent assholes such as myself are therefore unable to experience the magnificence that is moolack. lighten up, dude. i was just having some fun with corvallisclimb. he didn't really place any bolts there and i haven't been there to observe how mossy/unmossy the place is. moolack is safe. take a deep breath and exhale, it'll help you relax a little.

at 50 a climber is just starting to hit his stride...

hear, hear. joseph is the guardian angel of beacon. every crag needs someone to look after it and joseph has done a great job of replacing old anchors and standardizing them.

any bolts placed now at moolack will be covered in moss by spring and you'll need a metal detector to find them.

all right, so i'll take back calling you a moron and clueless, shapp. i was okay with atreides calling me a troll because i thought it funny that he, the real troll, would be calling anyone else a troll, but i was irritated by you referring to me as a "potential troll" because i'm not a troll. unlike others who post here, i don't come on this site talking about how i'm going to chop routes or how my ethics are purer than someone else's because i wear a bandanna on my head while climbing and hang from #3 camalots rather than bolts. so let me say again, i apologize for offending you and take back what i said.

what's the deal with trip reports? do they prove something important in this forum?

so atreides comes on this website spewing about how he's going to chop routes at flagstone, i flame him for it, now i'm the "troll"? or "potential troll" depending upon whether one agrees with moron number 1 (atreides) or moron number 2 (shapp). really, people, if anyone here is a troll then it is atreides, as he is the one who put the bait in the water, while i'm the "mullet" (some really old, pre-internet slang for you) since i'm the fish who took the bait. and what is shapp in this scenario? answer: clueless as usual.

those photos are seriously underwhelming.

official start of ice climbing season = john frieh goes to bozeman

zardoz!

the standard ozone climb has something like 10-12 bolts closely spaced with one piece of gear somewhere on the route. if said bolt were placed on the route in question, it would then be equipped entirely with bolts and thus would violate the ozone's one piece of pro per route ethic. this can't be permitted for what would people say about us then?

tell him, rudy.

good to see you again rudy, and chris as well. and congrats to little guy on his send.

whoa! moolack the mysterious outed by corvallisclimb!

morning glory, dihedrals, then cocaine gully. i think we may have spoken to you guys below heinous cling before we headed up to cocaine.