el jefe

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best TR i've seen in ages!

alright, well this hardly sounds insane - good luck getting the funding though, as you know pbs makes the conservos insane - i don't see the need to break up fox or any other current news provider however, but taxing mega-corps to help fund your more public channels might work - the current lineup of pbs shows already has a # of snoozers though, so it'd be challenging to find much of quality to fill the time - seems like it'd mostly be wayne's world knock-offs ivan, taxing mega-corps simply isn't an option and you know that. corporations and wealthy individuals are extremely delicate and fragile entities and raising their tax rates might make it difficult for them to purchase the congressmen and senators necessary to sustain their existence. if this sort of pie-in-the-sky democracy shit is going to be paid for, then we are going to have to do it with spending cuts...just remember that defense spending is off limits...

your impression is correct, off. i've been there and you couldn't possibly z-clip on any of the routes i climbed. in addition, many ended with runouts on slippery. thin moves, so significant air time was always a possibility (and occasional actuality). very engaging routes, to be sure. now someone cue pope and brainfog. here's where the "but all bolts are evil" chorus is comes in...

gotta say that layton was right on with this post: "Whoever took the time to do this could have spent the same amount of time cleaning up garbage, helping the homeless, volunteering at shelters, etc etc etc. Jesus, find something better to do with your free time. At least clean up an old aid route or something worthwhile. If you think this crag is stupid and easy, then why bother with it at all? I don't enjoy sport climbing easier route that much, but I know a lot of people who do. Are they lesser people?"

love that panorama shot!

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if i understand his position, i think he's saying that free speech is not really possible in a world where massive corporations take up most of the bandwidth - in this sense then, he would see himself as a protector and advocate of free speech in calling for the government to silience the deafening roar of the big boys. "Oh my England that free speech without free radio speech is as zero and but one point needed for Stalin"

cc.com, the last place to look for breaking news of what's happening in nw climbing scene.

when i saw the title of this thread i thought it was going to be a trip report by fairweather

strong effort. nice day's work nonetheless.

fairweather and kkk aren't available right now as both went to washington dc to take part in the million moron march.

are you as dumb as you sound because you sound like a shithead.

nice work.

thanks for putting this list together.

what ivan says is right. the whole vantucky region was annexed by pdx long ago. alexbaker needs a lesson in nw geography!

looking back at the past as a guide it is certainly safe to say the future will be different from how any of us imagine it will be. also, "fuck" can be either trad or sport.

fat and eloquent, too. the level of discourse you are able to maintain is simply dazzling. who said having only a two digit IQ is a handicap? you, sir, are certainly a very capable cretin.

it was probably the "porker" bit, kimmo. my guess is poor jake has become somewhat self-conscious about his burgeoning waistline, hence the puerile comments re: my mother. i didn't know a blow aimed at the belly could be so devastating. come on, jake, it just means there more of you to love.

rudy, looks like you and me need to get together and go climb das toof and post the 914th trip report on cc.com about our adventure on what is clearly washington's most sought-after summit. then maybe we'll get some cred with jake porker et al. i don't give a shit what you do. but why don't you shut the fuck up about people who do write trip reports mmmkay? i got no problem with people who write trip reports and for the most part i enjoy them and find them useful sources of information. you, however, mr shitforbrains moderator, are the one who made an issue of people who don't write trip reports, hence my sarcastic response. if you are such a pussy that you can't take a little shit then maybe you shouldn't be dishing it out in the first place.

rudy, looks like you and me need to get together and go climb das toof and post the 914th trip report on cc.com about our adventure on what is clearly washington's most sought-after summit. then maybe we'll get some cred with jake porker et al.

angular motion

i don't go to the anchor if i felt good but botched the sequence. in that case i usually try to save the energy for the next try instead. however, if i felt like i failed because i didn't really know the moves well enough, then i go to the anchors climbing bolt to bolt and work on remembering my sequence. once i start trying to redpoint, i try to save my energy for redpoint efforts.

I'd hope you're being facetious. number of trip reports on cc.com = climbing knowledge and experience, also know as the "fairweather assessment technique, alpine scaling skill" or FATASS measurement. according to the FATASS, ivan is clearly the burliest climber posting on cc.com since he is the current leader in terms of number of trip reports posted. this also would seem to indicate that, as the current leader, ivan is the reigning expert on climbing ethics and style. anyone want to try to explain how the FATASS measurement relates to the better known "chestbeater index"? i know that total number of posts on cc.com = one's "windbag score", and that > 5000 posts means your windbag score is "category 5 blowhard", etc.

And since it's impossible to leave no trace, let's just wreck it some more. Listen, Jefe, believe it or not, before sport climbing and grid bolting, climbers managed to have a dandy time and left a fraction of the trace/mess that is common at just about every cliff today. Your argument seems to suggest that since we can't possibly have zero impact, anything goes. i can't imagine anyone ever had fun climbing with a judgmental, pompous ass like you, pope. your stifling dogmatism and rigid self-righteousness couldn't possibly yield anything that anyone would deem "fun".