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Only crazies and illegals smoke pot? But you're right. We should all be armed all the time just in case a South Korean goes crazy and starts shooting people randomly. For me, that's the number one thing on my mind every minute of every day: who in front of me is going to suddenly snap and start shooting? You have no idea how many tranquilizers it takes to keep me from going over the edge.... I'd like to see that experiment run some day. Give everyone in New York or LA a gun for the summer. Put a big wall up. See if the results actually jive with the premise that if *everyone* had a gun, no one would get shot. Seems to me that's an unproven statement. It's kind of like saying, if everyone had a computer, no one would be rude on the intertubes. New York City did an experiment already: it legislated strict gun controls. It also boasts one of the lowest violent crime rates of any major city in the US. For you gun lovers out there; the typical reaction of much of the country is after mass shootings like this is to demand tighter gun controls. Read the papers. If you think most of the country is nuts (because of this 'illogical' reaction, from you viewpoint), I won't disagree with you. After all, look who sits in the Oval Office.

If we banned "crazy" this website would be strewn with blowing tumbleweeds.

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Only crazies and illegals smoke pot? But you're right. We should all be armed all the time just in case a South Korean goes crazy and starts shooting people randomly. For me, that's the number one thing on my mind every minute of every day: who in front of me is going to suddenly snap and start shooting? You have no idea how many tranquilizers it takes to keep me from going over the edge....

I am not sure why we're interested in knowing any of this.

Yes. That would be an interesting, but very brief, media event, of that you can be sure. Even the mafia doesn't go toe to toe with the feds. But then again, you're Sheaf Stout.

I'd flush the narcotics.

H. Zat iz a Chewish name, iz it not?

I wrote 'wouldn't' where I meant 'would', so I'm too stupid to participate any more. No opinion. This theatre is closed.

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Sometimes the universe is capable of nearly perfect irony.

DC, You're arguing yourself in circles again. Guns are manufactured by companies who sell to licensed arms dealers. That's the pinch point. That's where enforcement can do the most good. Source reduced=black market problem reduced. And that is the one recommendation that virtually all the credible studies on the subject agree on. You might educate yourself further on the subject and see for yourself.

Better skiing in the Selkirks, better rock/fishing in the Sawtooths. It's a tough call, but somebody's gotta make it.

So you'd prefer a non-free thinking, other-people-are-fucked, security-obsessed society? Uhm, last time I checked we were spending half a trillion a year on national security and WAY more per capita on law enforcement and prisons than any other nation on earth. But we're anti-security. Riiiiiiiiigght.

Studies also show that the vast majority of guns involved in violent crimes originate from federally licensed dealers that sell without a store front or proper record keeping. Shut these bastards down, require a valid storefront and proper record keeping for licensed dealers, plus a backround check and waiting period for purchasers (already in place in many states) and you've addressed a significant chunk of the ease of availability problem. This shouldn't impinge most lawful gun enthusiasts too terribly much. I don't believe this would help as there is a huge number of sales between private parties. To have an effect, private gun sales would need to be outlawed...and that would be difficult to achieve. ...and most of those privately sold guns that wind up in the evidence room originate from these few rogue federally licensed dealers. People don't manufacture guns in their basement. Established companies do, and those companies sell to licensed dealers. It's a classic 80/20 problem. Cut out those few dirtbag dealers selling to everybody and anybody and you've removed a major source of the problem. Primarily, it's an enforcement problem. Politically, pro gun politicians don't want to insult their pro-gun base and the well funded and organized NRA. This is the dirty little secret of the gun debate, and one for which neither the NRA nor their supporters have an cogent explanation. Apparently, you are unaware of the huge activity in private sales of guns that originated from "storefront" gun shops. Without proper backround checks or record keeping, usually. Thanks for bolstering my argument. Again, it's an enforcement problem.

Me too. So, there must be zero drive by shootings in most 'hoods, right? Lots n lots a guns there. As for your other statistics, maybe "If you can't fuck her, shoot her" should replace "Famous Potatoes" on the license plate? It's a good thing most Idahoans have more interest in pool cue diplomacy and workin on their pickemuptrucks than in climbing. I usually have the Sawtooths to myself. Redneck state + beautiful mountains = awesome place for visiting Washingtonians.

Don't be an idiot. No policy or legislation is going to prevent craziness. Furthermore, much of the populace is going to remain averse to guns, so most of the public will continue NOT to carry them. That said, life threatening deterrence doesn't work that well on a suicide prone maniac, anyway. And finally, a whole lot of random gunfire from multiple panicked, inexperienced people really would have calmed the situation down, I'm sure. What can be prevented, however, is easy availability of semi automatic weapons that carry way, way more ammunition than one needs for any sport to anyone and everyone with a credit card. People will still go crazy, but perhaps they won't go crazy with one of these weapons in their hands.

Studies also show that the vast majority of guns involved in violent crimes originate from federally licensed dealers that sell without a store front or proper record keeping. Shut these bastards down, require a valid storefront and proper record keeping for licensed dealers, plus a backround check and waiting period for purchasers (already in place in many states) and you've addressed a significant chunk of the ease of availability problem. This shouldn't impinge most lawful gun enthusiasts too terribly much. I don't believe this would help as there is a huge number of sales between private parties. To have an effect, private gun sales would need to be outlawed...and that would be difficult to achieve. ...and most of those privately sold guns that wind up in the evidence room originate from these few rogue federally licensed dealers. People don't manufacture guns in their basement. Established companies do, and those companies sell to licensed dealers. It's a classic 80/20 problem. Cut out those few dirtbag dealers selling to everybody and anybody and you've removed a major source of the problem. Primarily, it's an enforcement problem. Politically, pro gun politicians don't want to insult their pro-gun base and the well funded and organized NRA. This is the dirty little secret of the gun debate, and one for which neither the NRA nor their supporters have an cogent explanation.

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Yes, I know that feeling....

Also needed: the prevalence of gun ownership in Idaho (not just, hey, everybody seems to have a gun rack) verses other states, correlated (as compared to the other states) with violent crime rates. In addition, any statistical impact of statewide gun policies on the statistics. Pistols should also be broken out...they kill the lions share of victims. Finally, does lower population density make for lower per capita crime rates due to less human interaction in general?

You bastard! I was oggling that flow last week.

If your stats include suicide, gun accidents, and domestic violence, per capita, I'd love to see them. But I'm thinking right now those statistics are going to show something quite different from the argument you just presented.

I read nothing here but standard political satire. That, in my book, is a very, very healthy thing.