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criminey, what is a true 11a?

Well, unfortunately, vegoose took hold of my soul and the only thing we were able to climb monday was the trail back to dark shadows to look for a stray pair of shades....after bumluck, we backtracked to the first pitch of Y2K and some other pos, climbing was quick and fairly mellow and fun. Thanks to LG for putting the rope up as I was barely able to get my harness on correctly. Had fun climbing with Zonk and raging at the vegoose!!! WSMFnP! S! Thanks for the suggestion chucK. Really we did not ever have a complete 10 hr day due to time change...season and overall vegas debauchery. I did suggest Epi but ole'LG did not want to climb that one again..... LG-next time, we will hopefully have the epic fun trip on what we shall only note as the "trail route".... thanks again to you and your family for the great visit.

thats what we thought.

russ says I am jerk!~

and your friends are bored with all suggestions 'cuz they live there. suggestions.... meds.... cruise the strip for hookers and druglords?? the granite family kicks serious ass! good people in place of bad news. U rumR and Cjz.

I did find it very comical when the restrooms were torched; one of the state park's reasons to close the PP seasonally... that is no budget to maintain facilities during off peak/latefall to early spring. Outhouses gone and still closed. (not sure if they replaced them yet..?...it was spring/closed when I hiked the trail last.)

Actually, I will interject one more response 'cuz its america, land of free speech and um yeah. Mark, why do you care so much? Yes I am from Leavenworth and yes I will be outspoken about bolting in a once very traditional area that has become sucked into the McDonaldizing BS that has embrassed rock climbing community of america and abroad. So, Foff mr Crazy JZ. PS. this is not a debate so do not tell me I have poor skills. this is a web forum where people type responses to threads as well as start there own AT all hours of the day so being a nit picky digger is IMHO futile. EditPSS: the Whaaa response was not directed to you unless your name is rudy or ruMr... Hmmmm.

just lock it like all the good threads have been subjected to....RIP thread!

it is due to the lahar threat.

Whhhaaa... moooom, rudy is a meanie.....!!! He is teasing me about hobs and nails and whaaaaaaaaaaa!

Yet the very same genius said and then he re-iterates this fact huh, so are all the posts during normal business hours? and why are you so fN critical of everything I say mark? Diggin kinda deep, yup. Maybe I actually rethought the fact that we assume it was fred and also we have no proof, unless he remembers or we ask his partner.... so I threw out the what makes you think qoute? and no rudy, hobnailed bolts and goldlines or hemp, I have not seen on ebay...if YOU see some buy some for me...and I ain't gonna pay you back.

'cuz its the BEST state in the union.

Well said Ross. Hey, whomever said it about questioning Fred's bolt location. What makes you think it was FB's lead and is the culprit who drilled the "sh!tty" bolts in the firstplace??? GRID BOLT THE WORLD! ooops, my outside typing voice got the better of me again.

Why can't are slogan be Washington (theres a reason its named after the first president.) Seattle. it rains....kinda.

Give me my poles back you thief!

try satellite or Ctong! also good southern exposure.

"you do not need the fingers, when you have the panage(sp?)." Masters of Stone 1, wild Iris or was it Painted Spider at Hueco Tanks...damn I need to go watch the old flicks again...there the best anyways.

I believe you are right. Based on when the route was climbed and the distance between the bolts. The misconseption is the bolts are an anchor cuz they are somewhat close to each other. Yank the bolts and end this blabber. But, really, the bolts should just be yanked without upgrading... modern widgets will keep you safe up there, honestly its not even the crux. Smoot says the crux is fitting more than two people here (if you belay here). Selkirk, I am not saying SCW is not an inexperienced climber attraction...F'n A its the most obviously significant feature and w/outerspace attraction of course people of all egos/experience flock there. However, I would never recommend orbit to a moderate leader before outerspace. Orbit is harder overall and the "old" bolts add to the spice, but if this socalled community of climbers is in agreement, Selkirk, go pull the bolts and put some nice painted ones in for your pleasure. IN the old holes cuz the new bolt will be bigger. Dang, why don't you even put 1/2" bolts in so, the future climbers can forever climb "safely."

I don't smoke. I never assumed you were even capable of drawing a topo. Now go to the Social Security office, pick up your check, and let the kids argue about bolts. Bite: Yeah, right on the crack. so, why do you think I am old? Because I have rock climbed for 15yrs...omfg. perhaps I started at a young age.

just drop them off at my dads office. tia. have a great time on the tickcrag.

long w/ pointy tips and a handle on the other side. the color is blue.

No. "new" is not singles. stay tuned.

Apu's last revenge is good too!

the "new" one in preproduction about seattle.

Selkirk, why don't you just go remove your bolts and chain them together and keep them. You obviously want them real bad cuz they are sooo shitty. I forgot (reminded by above post) that they are not next to each other like a belay. but actually probably were placed for moving upwards. Bolt or not to bolt, the question. A new anchor is not placed, so then if a nonexpecting party goes up the route (thinking there is NO anchor from book updates, sign on the trailhead board, this website, rockclimbing.com, etc) then they will find a natural anchor and belay where comfortable. Nothing changes in the .com world. A new anchor is placed. Pope and selkirk dance together in the streets of Leavenworth singing KumbyaH my lord, Kumby-YaH....peace is restored to the .com world. Rock climbing up on Snow Creek Wall is not connecting the dots nor a roadside crag and do not try and convince me otherwise (let alone the many people who have gone up the route over the years). Furthermore, this route should not be thought as a ideal newbie climb, it is WAAAAY more sustained then its cousin Outerspace and has way more seriousness involvement, approach and routefinding. Obviously, by your soapbox description, you feel that as rock climbers we all need a highway map and the only true way up a cliff is to connect the dots via shiney 3/8" bolt anchors. Try this, next time you go up the Snow Creek Trail look up (around a mile and 1/2--long straight section) from the ditch and read the big sign that says Wilderness. Hard to miss unless your staring at the trail on the way up. Which may explain why you only found micro nut placements around said "shitty" bolts," looking at trail and not surroundings. Frankly, I do not care if you replace the bolts but they better go in the old holes, otherwise you are retrobolting a route that was completely fine the way it is now. Snow creek wall is not metrosexual and do not attempt to make it that way. Edit: rudy give me a break, hobnobs...