JosephH

It's a POS plain and simple which might make me a alpine, wilderness, or stupidity cop, but a crag it ain't (which is half the frigging point). If there really were any 'crag police' (or anyone not struck by community paralysis) it would have been gone within a month of it going up. P.S. What do we have to say to get this moved to spray? Will posting giganormous pics do it...?

Dude, true enough, but have we gotten rid of you because of it or the cruel retohric and slander that's always being directed your way? Hell no, we're still stuck with you like some sort of demented and tortured tarbaby...

What a crock; name one...

I'm sorry, did someone mention birds in this conversation or are you just riffing out your ass?

That moss-job revealed quite the pair of butt cheeks. I suspect the moss down your way will survive regardless and it's really a small affair compared to the terraforming we employ up here.

Again, either your reading comprehension is suffering or you need a limbic system tuneup. There are no crag police down at here at Beacon, just a shared sentiment about it staying a trad area and remaining true to its history and legacy. There is no shortage of clip joints and jobs around and absolutely no need to turn Beacon into another one. And that's what IB is, just a standalone clip job, all-purpose sad monumnent, and a bold statement about some of the more pathetic aspects of contemporary 'climbing'.

Lance, it's a pretty straightforward plan; we just figure the more of you who are put off climbing for good the better - or at least that you stick to alpine and stay off rock. And if you really dug down and got honest with yourself for a moment you know you'd be happier and live more contented lives if you were backcountry skiing, unicycling, s[l]acklining, fly fishing, and geocaching instead of climbing. I mean for godsake don't you owe it to yourself and your family to become a better and more productive human being? And what better way to start then to stop climbing today. It's not that we're selfish, or think you're steeped in self-indulgent whining or anything. Quite the contrary as we always have your best interest in mind and we certainly appreciate the feedback that our general approach is on plan and worked out so well for your friend. Oh, and please note that with some advance notice of another of your friends moving down here we could tailor a plan to better suit their individual needs and possibly even arrange a complimentary wine tasting tour as well.

You misinterpret the situation out there. Beacon has no king, only a Mayor and I'm simply a janitor / maintenance man. But hell, that's the spirit! And many happy go fuck yourselfs in return.

Why? It's still there isn't it?

Has that made it onto someone's calender?

Can't really do beer so I have to compensate somehow...

No need, it's bolted.

I'd also say that today's 'lining scene is pretty focused on webbing to the exclusion of everything else. It's also worthwhile to spend some time on cranked down 11mm, chain of various weights and sizes, and varying thickness and tensions of wire cable. They are all quite different and each teach a different set of skills.

Can you start your car reliably three time in a row in under five minutes? Does it leak more than a quart of oil per month? Yes and no to those questions? Well, then hell son, the only thing likely stopping you is the fact you're an engineer and overthinking it...

That's one of the funniest damn things I've read in a long time - almost as funny as slacklining being over-thought and commercialized by folks like 'slackline express'.

The last thing DZ/FS needs is a guide.

Not a problem on Metolius Master Cams, but their other cams have a specific slinging I wouldn't recommend replacing. Note too, slinging is something that should be done without respect to whether the piece is active or passive, but rather with regard to the requirements of the overall rope path or system being established. I also seldom run into situations where when I want to sling a cam that a 'double loop' extension would suffice.

In recent times that would have been the war in Iraq...

From a comparative advantage perspective it's completely retarded to have corporations bear the cost of employee and retired healthcare benefits in today's world.

Seems that way, when the first question is about aid given the number of great free climbs out there. Love aid, but as an accompaniment to free climbing rather than in lieu of it, and sometimes that seems to be what's really going on - totally cool so long as it doesn't cost rock as a result. Could be I'm just a bit sensitive on the subject at the moment given the circumstance (and the endlessly fixed rope which, if Jim were going to remove anything...).

I'm not afraid of the masses, I just don't like them, partly because they chalk the shit of climbs that don't need any chalk at all, which would be every climb at DZ/FS. I have to admit, this is kind of where I'm finding the whole aid renaissance thing a bit out of hand...

Yes, that all looks pretty damn ghey...

The less DZ/FS "stoke" here on cc the better...

The drills barely do a thing, what you need a name for is your shovel...

It isn't really a matter of all being friends so much as it's a matter of the vision, style, ethics, and interests we all variously hold and how those translate onto the stone. Disagreements and friction around the edges are bound to occur every now and then.