Dechristo

Never thought I'd be writing this, but, let's keep the spray out of this thread. I want this thread to stay here in hopes the relations and loved ones of the stranded climbers can see that any doubts as to the effectiveness and thoroughness of the rescue efforts raised by this n00b are baseless and without foundation.

and, seemingly, the last to know

post #77 on that blog. Thanks, Oly, I got a chuckle from that one.

Well, he does list his occupation as Guide in his profile. what a presumptuous, pitiful poseur

I believe I am providing a valuable "thoughtfulness", apparently beyond your comprehension, by showing, in concert with others here, the lack of validity and authority in your question of competence of the rescuers. I'm sure this knowledge is valuable, particularly to the stranded climbers relations and loved ones, and so, indirectly to the stranded climbers themselves. This is much more constructive than your doubtful speculations.

Oh, no! another member who ask questions without an answer!

thanks, by the contradiction in this post, combined with your title for this thread, you've clearly shown to all your lack of clarity.

Also, your arrogance is not above unnecessarily creating doubt in the minds of loved ones that everything and all is being done by qualified persons to rescue these guys. nice job

he can't hear anyone but himself

Thanks, Griz. This idiot has been bothering me with his self-professed knowledge, evidenced lack of mountain wisdom, and peurile ponderance. jonmofo, you've obviously got the skills and a line on this situation that has baffled evreyone else. You'd better get up there now.

first, buy the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack...

Telluride Jazz Festival '81... ...in the mud. GLORIOUS!

I'm hoping the two stranded climbers who went for help decided to tough it out in a snow cave. Most of you folks here already know of the benefits of a snow cave, but I thought the following information may be of benefit to the relations of the stranded three who read this thread and are uninformed. It's probable the climbers dug their caves in a hurried fashion so time didn't allow for the elaboration of a cave with the floor higher in elevation than the top of the entrance opening (the best at conserving heat); the floors of their caves are probably close in elevation to the bottom of the entrance opening. These men have the best chance of optimum comfort, considering the circumstances, if they are able to substantially block off the entance openings with cut snow blocks to limit near complete the exchange of interior air with exterior air. It is important to maintain some amount of air exchange as, although initially there is an amount of air available in the snow of the walls and roof of the cave, it is limited and thoroughly unavailable once the surfaces are glazed by the humidity from body perspiration and breath. The air exchange factor is usually dictated by the offsetting considerations of warmth versus the need for fresh air and even claustrophobia. The temperature inside the snow cave can easily be 20-30 degreesF higher than outside; twenty degrees outside in gale winds translates to over 40 degreesF inside and calm. The down-side of this situation is that the cave may be nigh undetectable from the outside particularly since it's been snowing and blowing masking the entrance to be indiscernable from the surrounding snowfields. The guys will be checking the weather often, but won't break out of the cave until the weather breaks. These guys are sitting/laying on their packs to limit the transfer of body heat into the snow or rock floor. They are adding small amounts of snow often to their water bottles to help sustain their supply. After these considerations, the waiting game is the crux of the matter. I was forced by weather to spend three days and four nights in a snow cave similar to the one described above and faired well; I skiied out twenty-three miles after the weather broke. I want the relations of these men to know it is likely their situation is not as grim as you may fear.

I think I'd only be for this if the blind hunter can demonstrate that he/she can echo-locate their prey. Bill would allow the blind to hunt in Texas

Pinot Noir glasses?

dem gym ho rats be duh wuhst

Sum Yung Moon

or Wire Yu Fu

nice pics, as usual

WTF? no right to the first ascentionist?

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Early on, all of my epics were a result of inexperience; a larger vacation window wouldn't have helped. I'd guess most epics occurring due to the constraints of time (vacation) are attributable to this also as experience would dictate what is folly given unfavorable circumstances.

there is no riddance of the

and, we the recipients of your nourishing contributions, thank you. Kevbone eats his favorite cake softened in bath-water:

If I deemed the injuries to my partner may be life-threatening, I'd probably try to make him as comfortable as possible and go for help.