Dechristo

As the content of your posts supply the mental equivalent of puerile Pattycake, what the fuck you want a cake for?

and remember, legs & feet save your arms & hands.

more-wanger

From Ouray Ice Park: The Ouray Ice Park opens Dec. 16. Sharpen up those tools and crampons, wax up those boots, and seam seal those coats!!! We’ve seen impressive ice formation in the gorge with temps as cold as 12 degrees. Things are looking great. For information on climbing in the Ouray area, please visit Skyward Mountaineering at www.skywardmountaineering.com The 12th Annual Ouray Ice Festival will be held January 10-15, 2007. For information, visit www.ourayicefestival.com Visit www.ourayicepark.com for more details or call Erin Eddy at 970.325.4288.

Hey, man, make it, like, an Earth Ship on wheels, dood. You know, like, the whole passive solar thing... you'll have beaucoup heat.

Damn, E! When did they start puttin' acid in Lucky Charms? "Green clovers, yellow moons, pink, hearts, purple micro-dot..."

Damn, Syudla, it looks from the photo that you're serving in an UN Peacekeepers unit.

still looks like the best summit register I've seen.

KK's catch on the 1868 ratification of the fourteenth amendment was good. But, i have my doubts as to "irreconcialable differences" having been an acceptable argument for divorce in the cultural and legal environment in 1860. Then, divorce rates appear to have been a lot rarer than today.

"ya peyote paradise, put up a parkin' lot hmmmm-ma-ma-ma hmmmm-ma-ma-ma"

dohhhhnnn'tuh fffuhhhhkuh wwwihhhhhtheh muhhhaiii turrrreeeeezzzeh!

DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU STARTED?!?! ever bump into Chaps out there?

yes, I too am happy for the two of them. but, think of the ridicule their children will be subject to.

I liked some of the shots in this T3 Teaser: http://tetongravity.com/viewer/Clip_TYPICALTEASER.aspx

So, other than belay/haul anchors and some toprope anchors, all bolted sport lines, mixed lines, and bolts in general are "garbage", "a mess", spoil the climbing experience for subsequent climbers, and of considerable negative environmental impact? Nah, I don't buy it. In any popular activity there will always be a few bad apples that threaten to spoil the whole barrel; in this case, with bolts placed on trad lines, over-bolted routes, and grid-bolting of entire faces. I'm glad for the advent of bolted sport routes and, now, the solid presence of "sport climbing" as an identifiable activity and industry. "Sport climbing", with its bolts, has introduced tens of thousands of participants to climbing which, subsequently, has channelled millions of dollars to industries accelerating the innovation and development of gear/clothing and empowering organizations as the Access Fund. Peripherally, charitable organizations like the Mountain Fund have appeared whose mission is to funnel dollars and humanitarian efforts to benefit indigenous people groups in mountainous areas around the world. Groups such as this have made profound contributions to climbing and the public perception of climbing not solely through humanitarian efforts, but by the clean-up of decades worth of trash at popular climbing destinations. Without the advent and establishment of sport climbing, the dollars and commensurate political power would not have arrived in time to save many climbing areas from residential and commercial development. We have all benefited from the presence and popularity of sport climbing. You guys hold an ethos at odds with that of many. I think I understand it, having once been in that camp myself. I'm glad you're there and that you hold fast to your commitment as there's more benefit than liability in the practice of diverse methods. I believe the climbing community as a whole benefits from the presence of your beliefs. But, I wonder if you recognize and/or aknowledge the benefit you derive in this world, as part of the climbing community, due to the positive ramifications of the placement of small stainless steel bolts and hangers in obscure and remote rock faces that 99.9% of the world will never know of or see. The new ship we're on has already set sail - there's no turning back. As seasoned hands, are you gonna find how your old ways can be of benefit on a new vessel and help educate the crew or alienate the crew due to an attitude over a ship you can't have?

mebbee he's of East Indian descent and is already stretchin' the truth

There was a time I was upset by the violation of a "from ground up" ascent. It was precipitated, initially, on hearing of some who placed passive pro on rappell in order to ascend a difficult line. "Chicken shits! If they can't place it on ascent they shouldn't do it at all!" Now, I view it as an ingenuity that was required for those particular climbers to climb the route. I don't differentiate for the placement of bolts. There are many hard lines that would never have seen an ascent without rap-bolting nor the numerous repeats enjoyed by many. The placement of bolts on rappell on more moderate routes may be the meat of your objection - disallowing a more skilled party to place bolts while on ascent. You can shake your head in disgust and howl to the heavens for justice, but there it is; the dirty deed has been done. Short of another bolt-chopping Bolt War there's nothing to be done but rage while shoveling sand against the tide. Time didn't wait for the elite climbers. My take on the difference between "ethics" and "style" in this discussion: ethics requires a determination of what is good and bad and the resultant moral obligations; style is simply personal preference without judging/labeling manifest in the comment "I wouldn't do it that way". What bugs me are poorly positioned bolts, not necessarily how they got there.

will there be picketing? smashing of Starbucks windows? jack-booted stormtroopers with gas masks? Can I get arrested? I've got no problems with bolted sport lines. IMO, the bigger problems stem from managing the masses of people: erosion from helter-skelter foot trails, tons of shit (garbage and the literal sort), unruly pets (God, I hate barking dogs at crags), inevitable lawsuits, etc., ad nauseum. The footprint on the environment of all the bolts at Smith wouldn't amount to a pimple on an elephant's ass compared to one shopping mall - and, I'd sure rather see folks exercising outdoors than milling about wondering how much garbage they can consume and take home in their cars and gullets. So, the conflict is in the style of climbing. I agree the height of climbing style is clean trad, and for me, it's in the alpine. But, I've had a lot of fun clipping bolts on sunny afternoons with assemblages of friends, improving skills that allowed me to push harder on subsequent trad climbs. Anyone who looks down their nose at a style they don't approve of has a festering insecurity of approval of themself by others: "those stupid bastards don't know the complexity and greatness of what I do compared to their simplistic ways" or "who will appreciate the nobility of my position on ethics". There are endless manifestations: rock vs. classical music, burgers vs. haute cuisine, KathyLeeGifford vs. Versace, paper vs. plastic, blah, etc. Get over it and yourself. And it IS hypocritical to both take a vehement stance against bolted sport routes and climb them. It's akin to doing business with hookers on the weekend and working to outlaw 'em during business hours - just another Ted Haggard.

yeah, butt, the gerbil's spillin' it all

If he's guilty, best not give him a chance to mount, well... anything

Grand Teton Climber's Ranch

it's ok. you, like all at times, have trouble admitting when you're wrong

hey man, I can't help it if I was born with a schlong (I call it Man O' Love, Not War) that can only be accomodated by the genitalia of a female horse! Wait 'till I find that bitch Flicka that spilled the beans to cj. I'm gonna put a tweak on her nose. I'm still trying to figure out how she types with them big damn hooves