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If you have a man pointing a gun at you, is it wise to act as if it's not loaded? That's really what were talking about here. We have change occuring (global warming) that is predicted to continue happening, and at the rate things are changing to cause some serious problems. (droughts, coastal flooding, melting ice caps.) This seems to be well established. Whether or not we are causing it is another story. So we have two choices.... Do we assume the gun is loaded and that through our own actions can affect the outcome, or that the gun is empty? If we assume the gun is loaded and we are a wrong, nothing happens, we smile, get a tan, and reduce our environmental impact a bit which doesn't hurt anything. If we are right we might keep ourselves from getting shot. Or do we assume the gun is empty and our actions have no consequences? If we are right, nothing happens and we smile and get a tan, and our level of environmental impact is unchanged. If we are wrong though we just got shot. So, how do you want act? There are scientists on both sides at the moment. So even if there isn't a consensus (which is another argument entirely) it seems awfully pragmatic to assume the worst and act to fix it.

Of course it Tommy's closes they'll probably just move across the street to the All American.

That could still be arranged for. After all, the Sausage fest is only a few blocks from Gary's digs.

Ok, I think we've milked this thread for all it's worth.

Do you like your sugar whipped or in the raw?

mmmmmm, liquid sunshine, makes me all foamy!

You can expect peace and quiet in the U-district just not on anywhere on the Ave. I lived up at 11th and 56th for about a year and it was great. Walking distance to UW, Safeway was on the walk home so shopping was a breeze and very quiet. The area right around Tommy's is just about the noisiest sketchiest part though. The violence is another story though and doesn't belong anywhere. Unluckily no good ideas for you. The fire ordinances are a good catch though. As an offshoot you might look into what is/has been done to try and shut down the Blue Moon tavern and see if you could tap some of the pressure being applied there to Tommies. (As memory serves the Blue Moon is getting pressured for drugs, violence, etc. though I don't think that's the whole story?) Anyone know more about that?

I've seen you putting up 11b leads in the gym, and just read your TR about 150 some indoor pitches in a day, so quit talking about suck I on the other hand, I can talk about suck all day

No one on here get's to make comments about normal.

Dru = becoming predictable That doesn't sound like the good crazy in da bed.... she kind of sounds like the knife wielding variety :0

oh, oh, oh, should I get all Taoist? Damming a stream might take a thousand rocks, but diverting it might only take 1 :) If she's feeling persecuted and is on the defensive she'll never go along with anything even if it's in her own best interests. If you can get her off the defensive and not try to assign blame you might get lucky and she'll see reason. You can always escalate and change the locks but you can't ever de-escalate.

Are you sure that's not the meth talking It is thursday afterall and everything moves slower on thursdays.

I've only had the pleasure of one crazy roomate. Seemed to be normal at the outset.... turns out he was passive aggressive ass. Couldn't abide the dishwasher, shower, or any running water when we was anything resembling asleep. He was an ex submariner, so he said the sound of the water freaked him out. Of course he worked odd hours so was asleep in the afternoon/early evening, and in the morning. Ranted and raved and bitched and moaned and threatened. At one point he showed up in the kitchen with a hammer threw it on floor and said my roomate could make more noise with that. Because we all know how loud making microwave popcorn is Luckily it only took the tense unpleasant, this situation is as untenable for you as it is for us, so what will it take for you to leave? He may have been an ass but he wasn't completely unreasonable. I think a lot of it was just figuring out how to approach him that so he didn't go on the defensive immediately. Kind of phrased as we could have handled it better, he could have handled, we don't care who's right/wrong, but it's making everyone miserable (him included) so how can we fix it. Of course if she's truly just a whack job who's having fun tormenting you all then you're up a creek on the flip side I had an aunt who went through 4 roomates in her first year of college before the school determined it was easier to give her own room. She just proved she was a bigger bitch then they where. You, know the fun little touches like lighting off firecrackers under their bed in the middle of night.

aaah, group hug! And I think climbing chicks are by definition hawt. Most athletes are! Strong, confident, and willing to take risks and challenge yourself is a very good combination.

Best of all get a #4 and a #1 DMM

I've got an Edelweiss Laser, 9.8. Has held up quite well. Only thing that is less than ideal is that it has a bit of a stiff hand to it. Not exactly slinky like the Mammut's or Beals I've played with.

As a side bar - Has there been any discussion of modularizing a halfbag/parka/bottom sheet system? It seems like most people I know always have a parka with them, even if they're also taking a bag so there might be an option to optimize the 1/2 bag parka system a little bit. Add in some sort of mating system (buttons or zippers) at the top of the bag and just inside and above the bottom of the parka to avoid the gap between them. Insulation only on the top of the half bag and footbox, with a replaceable bottom sheet. Make the 1/2 bag, parka shells, and bottom sheets out of eVent so that for a short duration trips a separate bivy bag isn't necessary. Then add an additional zip in bottom sheet that mates with the zippers on the parka to keep all the loft above you. It might be necessary to tweak the parka hood design as it would initially be facing the wrong way, but that could be modified with a detachable hood. The double bag sounds like a useful product but only to a very very limited market.

If you can sneak into a med school lecture at UW, Tom Hornbein give's a hell of a talk on altitude illness and his climb of the West Ridge of Everest! Talk about incredible pictures.

oh, you got to excited and overshot it archie! I didn't thing chicks dug that

Hows the new gig? Or is it still a big secret so we don't harrass you too much?

10 Commandments for Beginning Philosophers (Bertrand Russel I think?) 1) Do not feel certain of anything. 2) do not thing it worthwhile to produce believe by concealing evidence, for hte evidence will surely come to light. 3) Never try to discourage thinking for you are sure to succeed 4) When met with oppositiong, even if it should be from your husband, your children, the president, endeavor to overcome it by argument and not by authority, for a victory dependant on authority is unreal and illusory. 5) Have no respect for the authority of others, for there are always contrary authorities to be found. 6) Do nout use power to spuress opinions you htink are pernicious, for if you do, the opinions will supress you. 7) Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric. 8) Find more plesure in intelligent dissents than in passive agreements, for if you value intelligence as you should, the former implies a deeper agreement than the latter. 9) Be scrupulously truthful, even when truth is inconvienent, for it is more inconvenient when you try to conceal it. 10) Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness!

There are many levels of veterans. Please identify your units, job classifications, whether or not you've served combat duty in Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Haiti, Desert Storm/Shield, OIF, OEF and if it applies which deployment phases. I think this will help seperate the men from the boys. Come on Gotterdamerung - I usually agree with about 3/4 of what you have to say but every time somebody with military service spouts off this shit it pisses me off. It doesn't take being in combat on the ground to have an informed, intelligent, and valid opinion on our current foreign policy and how were prosecuting it. And it doesn't take having served to have the right to have on opinion and you know it. Some people seem to percieve a desire to serve the public good as weakness of intelligence and overabundance of machismo, and those people should be strung up by their thumbs. But there are more ways that are just as honorable and necessary to serve the country and the world than through the military. That said, welcome home, glad you didn't get shot, and your service is appreciated. Same goes to all the vets on here. It's good to have a voice to argue against us godless, America hating liberals. Or even us unabashed moderates Dems. and old school Republicans.

Hell I might even make an appearance at this one Anyone interested in a couple hours at VW beforehand?

Your making all of us cubical monkeys very jealous!!!! It's good to know someone's getting some good climbing in even if it isn't me!

you mean besides you?