selkirk

ooooh, I hope Chorizo and Salame pooed on your pillow for that

That I'm neither priviliged, nor born into money, and both comments were intended to imply that my opinion or reasoning is less than valid. The appeal to the "authority" of someone else who's pulled themselves up by there own bootstraps is also pointless. It lends no more credence to Savage's opinions than it does my own.

In that case can you come over and walk Wonder Dog when you hook up with Archie? We pay well in gallons of raspberries and anything else you'd like out of the garden, Oh and all the bamboo you can use!

My dad is a rag's to upper middle class person. He was the son of an abusive father with rage issues who worked at tire factory in Pennsylvania and a stay at home mom. He was lucky to get C's in highschool. My great grandfather, grandfather (when he was 8 or 9) and grandmother (all of whom I've known well as my Great grandfather only passed away 2 years ago) worked for the mob running numbers and booze during prohibition, then was a teamster for a while during the 40's and 50's and hustled golf into 50's. One of his favorite sayings was that "A dago's as good as a * any day". He wasn't being facetious. Hell, I remember living in a house in Chicago that only had 3 walls, and lived in downtown Oakland during the late 70's. We were poor enough one year we had a construction paper christmas tree, and the weekly treat for my parents was to go the payphone down the street to call home. I wasn't born into money. I'm exactly 1 generation removed from poverty, and 2 generations removed from the mob, and 3 generations removed from dirty Italian immigrants changing the spellings of their name to fit in better. My grandfather pulled himself up by his bootstraps, as did my father. I have a reasonable perspective, and my fathers is even better.

Was talking to my Dad the other day (assistant superindenant, working closely with the WASL, used to be a principal at a very poor elementary school in Spokane where he managed to improve reading and math scores from around 30% to close to 90% in the space of 2 years, yada, yada, yada.... any way, lots and lots of experience dealing with kids from poor families, and lots of time spent looking at how to improve scores and improve kids chances of escaping the poverty cycle) Anyways, a study a few years ago looked at a whole bunch of possible predictors of whether a kid would end up going to college/be gainfully employed/escape the drugs/crime/poverty cycle was? Grades, family life, divorce, single parents, etc, etc, etc, etc...... So any guesses what the best predictor was with nearly a 90% accuracy rate? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The opinion of they're 5th grade teacher. So for most kids, by grade 5, they are already on the path that they will be on for the rest of their life. How can you even be responsible for the decisions that affect the rest of your life at that age? That doesn't negate personal responsibility, and some people do manage to break the cycles anyway, but they're few and far between. One big mistake I see made over and over is to assume that you are average and project yourself into the shoes of other people and say you could do better. Very few people I've met in the Seattle area, and even fewer climbers I've met are anyone I would consider in "average", or typically representative of "poor" people (measured in schools by the percent of kids that receive free or reduced lunch). An interesting example is one of the Hell's Angels that was recently convicted in Seattle. Turns out he has a daughter, and is one of the most caring, active parents in his school district. He's still committed murder, and done some nasty shit, but he's also doing everything he can to be a good parent. The problem is that he joined the gang 25 years ago, did some stupid nasty stuff, and now he's stuck. He can be a Hells Angel and try to be a good father. Or he can not be a Hells Angel and die. As a single parent, how does that affect his daughter, and her chances of getting out of the same cycle? please. people make choices and then blame "fate", "the system" or the "man", but the fact is, they make choices. repeatedly. Your right, people do make choices all the time. The question is weather they make a conscious choice or an unconscious one, and weight that with the answer they are predisposed to come up with. And of course whether or not they make a bad enough choice before they manage to pull their head out and permanently screw themselves. It's still their choice. Looking at individual paths it's easy to point out turning points and bad choices, but when enough people are making the same choices over and over again, even though they may be clearly bad to the rest of us, does it speak to simple laziness, or something else?

So what do you use to beat your meat? Hammer, meat tenderizer, single tail? Do tell

He's entitled to his opinion. He's also a privileged, well paid, likely well educated, reasonably wealthy idiot with a narrow viewpoint.

Was talking to my Dad the other day (assistant superindenant, working closely with the WASL, used to be a principal at a very poor elementary school in Spokane where he managed to improve reading and math scores from around 30% to close to 90% in the space of 2 years, yada, yada, yada.... any way, lots and lots of experience dealing with kids from poor families, and lots of time spent looking at how to improve scores and improve kids chances of escaping the poverty cycle) Anyways, a study a few years ago looked at a whole bunch of possible predictors of whether a kid would end up going to college/be gainfully employed/escape the drugs/crime/poverty cycle was? Grades, family life, divorce, single parents, etc, etc, etc, etc...... So any guesses what the best predictor was with nearly a 90% accuracy rate? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The opinion of they're 5th grade teacher. So for most kids, by grade 5, they are already on the path that they will be on for the rest of their life. How can you even be responsible for the decisions that affect the rest of your life at that age? That doesn't negate personal responsibility, and some people do manage to break the cycles anyway, but they're few and far between. One big mistake I see made over and over is to assume that you are average and project yourself into the shoes of other people and say you could do better. Very few people I've met in the Seattle area, and even fewer climbers I've met are anyone I would consider in "average", or typically representative of "poor" people (measured in schools by the percent of kids that receive free or reduced lunch). An interesting example is one of the Hell's Angels that was recently convicted in Seattle. Turns out he has a daughter, and is one of the most caring, active parents in his school district. He's still committed murder, and done some nasty shit, but he's also doing everything he can to be a good parent. The problem is that he joined the gang 25 years ago, did some stupid nasty stuff, and now he's stuck. He can be a Hells Angel and try to be a good father. Or he can not be a Hells Angel and die. As a single parent, how does that affect his daughter, and her chances of getting out of the same cycle?

sold!!! i cook, clean and am great in bed. all you gotta do is love me I already love you. Do you like dogs?

Since when have women needed pick up lines to get lucky?

Congrats it's always nice when the interview turns into a sales pitch

That's not true! What about Porters and Cream Stouts?

Somehow I have a feeling climber chicks usually end up as Sugar mama's, and not the other way around you have dashed my hearts truest dream you mean mean man I thought that involved Archie? Besides, I thought you had already found your sugar daddy that you were teaching to climb ?

Yes, but has it ever actually worked on you and/or would work in the future? do i have to tell you??? will you respect me in the morning? It's morning and I still respect you

I've got one sitting in the basement that you can have. It's been rolled up and bent a few times, but it's never been really used, and is still serviceable.

Any word?

Somehow I have a feeling climber chicks usually end up as Sugar mama's, and not the other way around

Yes, but has it ever actually worked on you and/or would work in the future?

Then you may not have realized that cool climber chicks tend to be few and far between. I have a feeling these pick up lines get used at unplanned bivys more than anywhere else.

I'm eating olives and feta. I'd laugh harder but I don't want pits coming out my nose, at best it would hurt, at worst they might get stuck

He didn't have low body fat levels you idjit. pure speculation here... but I would imagine that body fat levels equate reasonably well with long term energy reserves which would seem awfully important for healing any major injuries.

I've decided your my new hero Muffy Oh, and you've been naughty, maypbe you'd like some of the bamboo I've been cutting

My diet starting after getting to the Family reunion at 2:00 on Thursday --- Thursday 2:00 -2 italian roast beef sandwiches and beer 2:15 - handful of miniature peanut butter cups - more beer 3:00 - more beer, handful of M&M's 6:00 - all you can eat Buffet for the grandparents 50th anniversary: lots of ham, lots of pot pie (not like out here), piroshki's soaked in butter, a little salad that was outweighed by the dressing, 2 kinds of desert, rolled out the door very slowly. 9:00 - more beer, more candy, more beer 10:00 - water, and twinkies 11:00 went to bed as I was exhausted and fat Fri: 9:30 - eggs, pancackes, and ham for breakfast 10:30 - beer and candy 11:30 - sausage and sauerkraut with beer 12:30 - twinkies and beer 1:00 - short nap 2:00 - more candy and beer 3:00 - 6:00 golfed 9 holes and didn't even kill anyone from the tee 6:00-7:00 beer, and ate my portion of $350 worth of beef tenderloin, along with some salad, and of course more beef 8:00 - beer and candy 9:00 - 11:00 go to the arcade and win tickets for the nieces and nephews - place was too damn hot so I broke a sweat playing airhockey 12:00 - rectified sweating with more beer, twinkies and water Sat - 9:00 - eggs, pancackes, and ham for breakfast 10:00 - more pancakes and coffee 11:00 - italian roast beef sandwhiches, and candy, oh and of coarse beer 12:00 - played tennis, I suck so I spent a lot of time running - 1:00 - Beer, and twinkies 2:00 - more beer and shuffleboard 3:00 - 6:00 golfed another 9 holes and road in the card to avoid burning calories : 6:00 - beer 6:30 - beer, lasagna, meatballs and sauce, salad, 3 kinds of desert 8:00 - beer 9:00 - went to the arcade again and played video games 11:00 - beer and cards, and 2 more kinds of desert Sun - 9:00 - small bowl of cereal - the site of 10 lbs of uneaten candy and pie is making me nauseaous. 11:00 - Back on the road to Pittsburgh and eventualy seattle. Now top that Gawd I love my family reunion's :moondance: I have never been anywhere else where there is a keg on tap 24/7 and people bith at 10:00 in the morning if there isn't beer Not to mention many days of italian food and sweets My relatives just kick ass! Oh, and only 2 walking wounded, and no calls to the cops this year so relativey safe and sane for us! My gawd they're mellowing!

mmmmmm, those things are like crack!

Yes, but she's already stolen your sanity.