KaskadskyjKozak

thanks to B-HO it's looking grim as to whether we'll enjoy it for much longer

Bullshit, the combination of Pacific infrared satellite and Jetstream positioning were a complete no-brainer for staying off the mountain then - it was in no way a matter of either a 'hindsight' or a 'had to be there' sort of deal in any way whatsoever. It was more akin to playing Russian Roulette with five rounds chambered. Not meaning to raise your blood pressure again, I would have to say that you are exceptional in your ability to predict exactly what you are getting into by looking at a sattellite map. If everyone stayed home every time bad weather was predicted, Tvash and Ivan would never post a trip report. You just have to get out there to know for sure. It often results in a short time in a storm bracketted by long drives but the converse is possible. So to get back to the thread at hand, we cannot say what the exact conditions were when various decisions were made on that fateful Hood climb. There is a huge difference between snow and driving snow. There is a bigger difference between 30mph gusts and sustained 50mph winds. I have climbed up through some storms and been trashed by others. Weather or not I go on partially depends on how I am feeling and who I am with. There are no blanket answers on how to proceed with a particular weather prediction. Second guessing other climbers after the fact is pure speculation and says more about the speculator than about the speculatee(s). imo Well put.

So, you are saying the 1st and 2nd amendments apply to the citizens of the world? Fuck, we better get on the ball!

Heinous forecast + Completely shut down weather = Should have gone to the bar instead. But yet they went for it anyway. Alas, with no taun taun either. My recollection is they tried to go fast and light and beat a weather system. Not like anyone on this forum has tried to do that. Or ignore a nasty avy forecast and try to run up something. Or...

Marxists torture and murder in the millions. And it goes well beyond waterboarding a few fuckhead scumbags. Moral relativism is such a crock of shit.

now that's funny What's not funny is that a neo-Marxist is lecturing the forum about "torture" and "killing of civilians" - two of the prime entertaining past times of the ideology he supports.

Bullshit, the combination of Pacific infrared satellite and Jetstream positioning were a complete no-brainer for staying off the mountain then - it was in no way a matter of either a 'hindsight' or a 'had to be there' sort of deal in any way whatsoever. It was more akin to playing Russian Roulette with five rounds chambered. You said you don't climb alpine. Forecasts often paint a totally incomplete picture. May times you don't know what you're gonna get until you are actually there.

Hindsight is always 20/20. How often have any of us done something marginally (or outright) stupid and just been lucky to survive it?

There's nothing amazing about it at all - it's par for the course for the mentally ill liberals.

Thanks, man. I'm headed to Logan this w/e - we'll see if I can fit Rainier in soon though.

You could fit Boner's brain in a nutshell - a pistachio nutshell.

Pelosi needs to be waterboarded as well.

Excellent! How long would you say the ledges will still be "in"?

I'm curious if the conditions were uniformly as bad as forecast. Some folks I talked to yesterday on the Muir snowfield had not summitted on Fri night due to postholing...

I heard recently that you'll have to hike about 4 miles to the TH for the Easton. The boulder glacier route starts 1000 feet lower, so you may be able to get closer to that TH.

+1 on the Boulder. It's a beautiful route.

Ditto for the road up to Leroy Basin TH (Phelps creek?) any beta?

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You make that sound like a bad thing...

I think the dude who put them in there should have a revelation and chop them himself...and he's so dang proud of himself that he had someone take pictures of it all. I ain't got the time or money to mess with that myself. They aren't. Leaving stuff up there of any kind is littering. It ain't the size of the litter, it's the principle. At least you can pop old pickets out of the snow and haul down "tat" and other garbage. Speaking of installing permanent anchors on big mountains, I seem to recall a number of years ago that there was another guy (Larry Penberthy?) who was advocating enhanced safety measures on Mt. Rainier and suggested that some sort of railing be put up on Disappointment Cleaver....like bolts on Everest, another way of dumbin' it all down for the masses. I know a guy who thought they should put a fixed line in at Camp Curtis because the snow was low that year and descending to the Emmons was "a safety issue"

Hi Fatty, I believe you - you are definitely a "sledder". I bet you could beat me at triggering avalanches and breaking the law.

Will there be any people around to even care?

so, use the fat douchebags to get access, then stab them in their hefty backside to get them out of primo climbing areas? I could go with that.

They should allow snowmobilers on Everest