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Whitehorse, Darrington WA 3/10/2001 team cascadeclimbers.com (tim and jon) decided to go for the early season favorite of whitehorse today. their up to the minute trip report has been sent to cascadeclimbers.com headquarters via a live sattelite feed sponsored by qUerKeA torts impersion. cut the marketing here's the report: *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* TIM: After a full night of closet tweaking, i finally got into the sack around 12am. I knew i had to pick up jon at 5, but figured i could sleep in and be late, because his arse is always late to pick me up So I got to his house at 5:15, and our adventure began. JON: When tim picked me up, a very odd stench filled his truck. I couldn't quite figure out what the smell exactly was, but it was mix between dirty bannana hamock drawerz fust and schmidt. This was going to be a long ride to darrington. TIM: I really don't like Everett. No offense, but it is my least favorite part of going to the N. Cascades. JON: I like McDonalds. The warm site of the arches brings goose bumps to my skin, and a rumble to my stomach. I persauded Tim to pull over in Smokey Point so we could commence in a pre-emptive mass chubafest. TIM: This was by far the most interesting trip to McDonalds, ever. Our order was taken by a young cooed who strangely resembled Jon's current obssession, Britney Spears. I figured this was a good sign, and knew that everything from this point on was going to be plab. JON: Super Delux breakfast platters are might tasty, and give my body the feul I need to climb without bonking. Our dining experience was accompanied by some tasy Salsa tunes blaring over the loudspeakers. Tim and I were waiting for the dancers to come poppping out of the ball maze and ask us if we'd like more chips and salsa. TIM: So I figure we should really get to the trip report Jon, querkea is paying good money for this sat-phone. JON: Yeah I guess so WHILLHANS: TRUE TRUE TIM/JON: Who the hell was that guy??? TIM: I don't know, but he scares the hell out of me. JON: OK, so we got onto the trail A(Niederpum) at 8am, and the trail really kicked my arse for the first 1/2 hour. TIM: Sally. JON: But we got to the snow slope that lead up to Lone Tree Pass in no time. TIM: There was snow on the first avalanche slope, but not a whole lot, besides that the trail was nice and steep, and in good shape. JON: Luckily we brought our snow shoes, because we were post holin to all hell heading up to Lone Tree. TIM: Luckily, for Jon, I broke trail the whole time <JON sheds some tears> JON: While hiking up, the sun attempted to peak out, but the fog prevailed, and engulfed the whole mountain. TIM: We felt as if we were in the classic movie filmed on Whitehorse, I forgot what its called, but it felt like that. JON: We spoted AVALANCHE debris in the gully leading to lone tree pass. The debris were very fresh, too fresh for our likings. TIM: Seeing this, we decided to chub again, and wait for the fog to clear. We engaged in pleasant coversation about the virtues of torts impersion, by querka (sorry for the plug) JON: While chubbing we heard another avalance rip down the slopes above, and we decided that this wasn't fun anymore. It began to snow, and the durs were running for cover. TIM: Since I am a total sally, I proclaimed that I feel like a fair-weathered climber today, and don't feel like triggering off a slide and thus burying myself and missing next weeks all new Dawson's Creek on the WB. JON: You are such a tool. TIM: I know. JON: So we hiked out and ran into a party of three (with threee dogs) without snow shoes or axes. We sprayed them with our warnings and tales of avalanche risk ahead, but they were unfazed. TIM: dude. WHILLHANS: True, True. TIM: Go away dude! JON: That is all from the field, we will be submitting our next report soon. Please stay tuned to cascadeclimbers.com *^*^*^*^*^*^*^ End of transmission

rawk on man, you know your floyd. i guess thats what happens when you're born in 77' and began listening to floyd in the 90's [This message has been edited by tim (edited 03-09-2001).]

"welcome to the machine. all in all, your just another brick in the wall...." thats what i was told when i started working for darth gates. words of wisdom eh? remember, you can't eat your pudding unless you eat your meat!

Posted Part Two of the series check it out http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/fitness/trainingtime2.htm i'm sore -tim

o-KAY! here I come to save the day. Closin this thread

On that note, I wanted to let y'all know that there is a pretty quality avalanche class going on right now at BCC. I made a post about this awhile ago... There are still 4 tuesday evening sessions left in the class, and if you want to come check it out, you can come sit in on this evenings class if you would like. Let me know if anyone is interested.

exactly! i know i'm not hard enough to hang out on some of the threads! I hope we can get some good topics fired up here. -tim

as i sit here at work on monday am, bored already, i'm already desiring some stout. what's the scoop erik?

thanks alex! I tried to reply to you last night but i'm on a POS exchange server. I think Jon summed up alot of my feelings also.

Hey Alex- My mail server is down here at work (surprise), could you post the mail you sent me last night though. I think we should keep the discussion/ideas/concerns up here on the board for all to see. Thanks for your reply, I you have some really great points, and I'd like to see what others have to say about the matter. snowin, snowin snowin tim

The real crazy thing about this recent turn of events is that Jon and I were on our approach hike this weekend and he said (I swear!): "We need to register the cascadeclimbers.org this week, and setup a redirector to our site, becuase you know, we are really more of a .org" I wasn't really paying attention, and just shrugged his comment off because I really didn't think that anyone would go and register that name and put up another site. HA! I guess I'm never destined for an upper-level mgmt posistion at amazon.com I agree mvs. We did the .com because it is so easy to remember, but as anyone can tell, we are nowhere near being a .com. (we couldn't get angel funding so we dropped the idea) but we are hoping to get aquired by quokka. All joking aside, this is the climbers site. I look forward to coming here everyday (when I should be working) and reading/posting about climbing, and I think i'm not alone on this one. cascadeclimbers.com is a result of multiple peoples hard work, and the site would be worthless without peoples posts/opnions, this is the people's site! I'm all for having .org name redirect to this site (and hope Alex agrees since he bought that name), and having this review board (or whatever you want to call it) hosted here. I hope we can find some others interested in helping develop this, Jon and I from day ONE have asked for people's help with the site, and now is the time we can use it. On this note I would like to commend a fellow cc.com bbs fan, Jason Petteway, who has been working hard on our new route report database. He has developed it using some software he wasn't very familiar with, just to help create and share a great new resource for the community. i'm drifting off on a tangent, but hope that we can keep the community and all its efforts here. if anyone else desires to help out with the further development of the site, the door is (and always has been) open to volunteers. I gotta jibbo, look forward to hearing some more opinions. [This message has been edited by tim (edited 02-01-2001).]

Alex- I sent you a mail about this, but I'm sitting here scratching my head and thinking "WHY?"?????? As I said before, I can have this forum setup in a couple of clicks of the keyboard, and I don't understand the need to create a whole seperate website to do this. I hope all interested can pool all trade and climbing talents together on this one. Does anyone else find it odd to create two NW climbing communities on the web....??? especially one bearing the exact same name as this one?

and mikeadam exits the cc.com valley, walking into the sunset. poor out some stout in memory of the mikeadam -t ps: youngboysimon- you and jon should hang out and talk about britney, but I think you've got the wrong board buddy.

rollin' thunder- i think most people you meet on the board here will agree with your post about what Jon calls "The REI effect" but the fact still remains that there is a void left here. Looking ahead though, I think we need to take the following steps to make this happen: 1- Let Climbers around the NW know that we will be providing a record of new routes that the AAJ is not going to publish. This can be a grass-roots effort, perhaps part of our "sport climbing for the new millennium" campaign, (sorry dan, it still brings a smile to my face) 2- The panel as Lowell outlined: quote: 2. "Reviewed" reports. These are reports that have had some sort of editorial review by experienced local climbers to select ones that are "significant". If you were interested only in historical reporting, then the criteria might be that the climb must be "new". But if you were interested in a broader record, then you might include reports that are especially well written, describe unusual trips and so on. This level of reporting is what the Mountaineer Annual and AAJ used to provide. needs to be formed, I see this via a nomination process, and if he is willing, I'd like to have Lowell spearhead this one. 3- The recording/web side. I can seriously have the "private forum" for reviewing these submissions setup in a matter of seconds. We could even setup an email account where people can submit new routes. 4- Publishing? I'll punt on this one, but I don't see this coming up for quite some time. Ray's willing to help, who else is in? Reviewers?

I don't want this thread to die. Lowell, we could provide the means for "step two" of your process outlined above here on the site. We could open up a private forum (Like the Moderator forum we already have) to a select board of reviewers. I'd be happy to setup the back-end for this, but do not even come close to being a person qualified of reviewing such material. So, if you would like to put together the review team, you have a forum here for doing steps one and two. Jim/PMS, would you be interested in helping with this? thoughts? -Tim

Feb 10th is good with me. I'll spam all the bb members to let them know, erik can we get directions to the unabomber cabin or what? jon- "arrrrrrr" dude you really need to cut out the pirate thing kyak slides beat out jon's slides any day of the week.

from the rogue brewery? I had their sampler the other night and there were two stouts, one of which wasn't the greatest beer I've ever had, I forgot which on it was though that i liked. but i'm sure you could convince me to drink any stout. i've got $5 on it

In an off-line conversation, I was inspired by a recent thread (already epic in flaming proportions) of a new slogan to represent the site and our community. There is a need for the site to have a calling card for all of us NW climbers to identify ourselves by, much like the "Sports Immersion" found on quokka.com. So it is with great pleasure that I present to you the new slogan: sport climbing for the New Millennium cascadeclimbers.com I'm going to get some t-shirts made up for the party so let me know if you are going to be there.

BBS fans- I've added a new forum specifically for folks new to the area, or just new to climbing. I hope newbies can post any question to this forum and get some solid feedback from those experienced salty old climbers in the crowd. Parts of the current board can be a bit intimidating for new climbers (eg the favorite routes thread), so this is a place where the rookies can shout out. POST AWAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY! -Tim

Like most people, Jon and I spent most of Thursday/Friday deciding where to spend the sunny-saturday at. After multiple emails, Jonny-boy and I decided to head up to the Tatoosh this weekend to try our hand at Pinnacle/Castle. Pinnacle/Castle from Paradise We departed my house in the Quah at 6, and after multiple stops, and a few wrong turns, we're at Rahneiay by 8:45. We made the mistake of parking at the Upper-Paradise lot, instead of Narada falls, and added some approach time to our hike, but it was an exteremely beautiful day, so we didn't mind. We strapped on the shoes and headed down the road to Reflection Lakes. The road was mobbed with hordes of snowshoers, and some boy scouts with HUGE external frame packs (brought back some memories for me). Anyhow, we had a very leasiurly stroll down to reflection lakes, and played leap frog with a couple other dudes who were headed up to Pinnacle also. The route up to the Pinnacle/Castle saddle was already well tracked due to a party of about 6 skiers who had already headed up the hill. The snow was still pretty soft (must have been remnants of the powder mentioned in the prior post ) Jon dug a trench to check out the snow pack, and there was a very unstable 2' thick layer about 5 inches down. The resulting slab was quite thick, but the slopes overall we're very stable. If you head up this way in the next few weeks be very cautious of this underlaying weak layer. The route up to the Pinnacle/Castle saddle was a nice walk up, with wonderful views: Pinnacle ridge on the right, route to saddle We chubbed down on some lunch at the saddle and enjoyed the view south to Adams/Hood/Helens and chatted with a couple that had just been up to the summit. They said the gully was filled with some shallow snow and had placed a hand line for one of the climbers. Summit block from Saddle, we traversed Left under the summit block to a SW facing gully Anyhow, we followed the prior paties tracks, traversing across the S. side of Pinnacle, and began climbing up the gully to the summit. The gully did not have much snow in it which made kicking steps difficult at times and also yielded some slick-snow covered rocks. The route would be ideal with about another foot of snow. The other party of two was asscending the gully as we were heading up, and there were quite a few people cramped into a small area. Jon was making his way up to the summit (he had left his pack back at the saddle and was moving quite more quickly than I was), and I stopped about 20 feet shy to enjoy the view. I'm not sure what it was, perhaps i've spent too much time sliding down the hills on a board lately instead of climbing up them, but I really wasn't liking the conditions of the gully. The small layer of snow over the cruddy rock was giving me the spooks, and I always get a tad paranoid when there are numerous people climbing in close quarters in such conditions. One of the other guys in the first crew was having a hard time with the route and admitted that it was a little above his comfort zone.... this added to my now-heightened fear of something going wrong. Being Cautious-Crawford, I decided to turn back to the saddle, and vowed to return to the peak when the gully was in a little better shape. Jon ended up having to help the other climber work his way back down the gully because he was having a real hard time. Seeing that he had the situation under control, I headed back to the saddle to chill out and enjoy the amazing views. All in all, it was a great day for a wonderful little climb. I will now open the thread to Jon's commentary. Watch out for the DUR's, dur.

I saw this article in the times yesterday, some new info on how (or how they want us to think) fee demo funds are being used: quote: Last year, the fee program raised $6.5 million in Washington and Oregon, nearly double the amount raised during the first year of operation in 1997. This year, the fees will remain the same for the regionwide Northwest Forest Passes - $5 for a day pass, $30 for an annual pass - but the Forest Service hopes to boost revenue by getting more people to comply with payment rules. In years past, Forest Service rangers who found a car without a pass might simply leave a payment envelope on the windshield. But as of May 1, under new rules, rangers are supposed to record the license plate of any vehicle found without a pass and then issue a warning. . Those who fail to pay will risk a fine that could be as high as $50. check out the rest of the article here

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we will have a meeting with the cascadeclimbers.com board of directors and see if we can appropriate some funds to increase the liver sizes of the BB visitors. regardless of the outcome of the vote, i will be in attendance*. -tim *as long as jon doesn't bring along any slides involving various forays on the uw campus [This message has been edited by tim (edited 01-26-2001).]

I suppose I'm not as extreme in plaining, but I tend to base my plans on the feel of the alpine region I would like to visit. I'm a huge fan of views from the top of high places (that is what got me into climbing in the first place), I love being humbled be feeling really small on top of a huge mountain. So, when I'm planning a trip, I go for big views on top (I personally love the Olympics with views of cascades/hood canal/straight/olympics/rainier the whole thing!), and the general alpine scenery on the approach. I also am amazed how certain areas here in the cascades/olympics are so different/provide different challenges depending on the season. Some climbs merit being experienced during all seasons because each time it is a whole new feel. For example, last year I did Warrior Peak just North of Constance in early June. The approach via Marmot Pass was filled with Rhoedendorens if full bloom and it made the approach/hike out quite enjoyable. I returned to camp/scramble later in the summer, and the pass was covered with wild flowers. It is amazing to see the alpine environs in all different seasons. Obviously actual routes change with the seasons, but to me, experiencing the different regions here in the NW throughout the seasons is a big factor into my trip planning. I guess an adventure for me involves more than just the route itself, it is packing the most scenery/climb into a few days as possible. Sometimes you've got to take your time on an approach and enjoy the bliss of the high alpine meadows/passes. -flower boy tim

That would be t minus 6 Mr. Adams. I find it quite ironic that the title of this thread is "Ice Climbing Ettiquite". Frankly, there have been quite a few posts up here apparently penned by authors who have forgotten general rules of ettiquite while posting to the board. I want to take a moment to remind everyone why Jon and I spent time (when we could have been in the moutains) putting up and maintaining this site. We wanted to create a place where NW climbers could gather, chat, post opinions, get beta, dream, and converse about the one thing we all have in common and cherish dearly. I personally spend time in the mountains to get away from the ugliness of society that surrounds us all day to day. The hills are my escape from the gridlock of rush-hour on 405, they provide freedom from my 21' monitor, and fresh air for my lungs. The mountains and climbing brings me happiness, wether I'm wandering in them, gazing at them through a window at work, or writing a really cheesy post about them (case in point) on this site. I realized that when we started this site, and added this board, that there would be some rather heated discussions. This is a given conisdering the varying views involved with climbing/ettiquite/etc. But recently I have noticed a large ammount of personal attacks in the posts. I have been rather busy at work lately so I haven't had a chance to follow alot of the BB posts, but this "flaming" was brought to my attention off-line, and it has me a tad concerned. Basically, I just want to ask all of us that are members in this rather small "community" to remember our general ettiquite when posting to the site. Although I encourage healthy discussions, I hope that we would all refrain from attacking others opinions, ideas, and feelings about certain issues. So Please, keep an open mind when reading and posting on the site here. And most importantly, remember the reasons why we gather here, and that reason is to talk about the thing we all love. Keep it clean, and lets all be happy! OK, it is time for me to stop this cheesy post. THREAD CLOSED. -Tim