minx

are there any great canadian patriots or are you folks just stuck up there together by default?

should've PMd me. my lunch date bailed some of that yummy italian would've been perfect!

left over thai from dinner last night and a mango

by your definition scrambler, if i don't think you and i have enough in common then then we don't need to be part of the same meaningful collective, so i don't need to be patriotic. so "patriotism" might be defined as a meaningless contrivance and any politition who peddles can be rejected as pushing a bullshit agenda. yes...that would seem to be what he's saying although i kind of doubt that's what he really means. we don't all have to agree or even be all that similar if there is one over riding thing we're supporting. it seems to me that in times past, the people of this country rallied around the concept of democracy and the freedoms provided to us by the constitution. they truly believed that it was a duty to protect these things. many felt that there was an obligation to spread the concept through out the world. today it seems that we pay lip service to these ideals but we(speaking generally here...i don't mean every single person) surely don't hold them as dear as generations past. perhaps that's the common bond we could/should all share to unite us as a nation. as part of a corporate entity, i am very different from many if not most of my coworkers. despite not sharing many things in common we are all able to work together towards the larger goal...success of our company. sharing many common traits is not a requirement for uniting. having one strong thing in common can bond a large group.

my definitation of patriotism... i don't think it involves specific borders. i'm always fascinated by the olympics. people from different countries competing against each other. this seems so odd and irrelevant to me. borders in many parts of the world change often. they're really just arbitrary lines on a map. it doesn't make the people who live on one side it very much different than the people on the other side. the ideals and concepts set forth in our consitution are worth supporting. my patriotism doesn't relate to our country as a geographic entity but rather the ideas by which we govern that area.

no, they're family. they weren't invited. they came with the package. i was reminded recently just how much riff raff there is in my family. i was also reminded that underneath a rather displeasing exterior, some of them are truly good people.

yes, the definition of what consititutes a patriotic act does vary with the individual. some people consider protesting the war in iraq to be unpatriotic. i see it is as a very patriotic thing since i feel that it would've been best for us to stay out of iraq.

it's been above freezing at 3K during daylight since sat. below freezing at night.

and all this time i thought the main-stream media was considered liberal

with all due respect to pope and dwayner,their climbing accomplishments and knowledge, i am sooooooooo tired of this. anybody else? talk about beating a dead horse. come on pope, i'm sure you're capable of something new. why hit the same schtick over and over?

hey this was a toilet accessory thread! not a poo thread!

my very sensible date (that doesn't explain why was with me) from last evening, offered up some very practical explanations. (needless to say i won't be seeing him again) after he finished looking at me like i was from another planet when i asked, he offered up the following: a) it keeps the porcelin from "clanking" w/the tank when the sit is raised b) it keeps your tush warm if you sit down to dress or dry off after your shower.

that fuzzy thing on the toilet seat....why? when i moved into my house it was fully furnished, right down to a fuzzy thing on the toilet seat. i've never seen the point of this accessory.

there's plenty of stuff that gets posted in other forums that drifts off topic and even turns into interesting spray. i'd agree that part of it could be moved to spray and relevant parts left in the appropriate forum. sorry to hear about your experience at 15

wow- i just read this whole thing. i have a few things to say my dick is this 8===============================D big whether some of you like it or not this is a "community" with jon and timmy as supreme dictators. whether i agree with it or not some moderation helps this "community" continue to exist. in case some of you don't realize it, if we didn't at least try and come up w/some veneer of a teeny tiny tad bit of civility, then most of these people would go away. you might think you'd like it but probably not...even in spray. if the community becomes offensive to too many people we'll lose a lot of valuable content both in and out of spray. admit it some of you hardcore sprayers are pretty extreme. while you think that's fine (and mostly i do too) a lot of people don't. just b/c it's "spray" doesn't mean some good, non climbing topics aren't/couldn't be discussed here. if the atmosphere is too extreme here in spray will lose participants in those discussions too. spray needs very little moderation but some, on rare occasions as for alex's trimming of the fatality thread. it wasn't a spray thread and thus is and should be moderated more closely. good for alex

trask i didn't take it that they were. i'm just trying to make a point. even if they're picking on me personally i don't take any of this seriously enough to take it personally it just seems to be a lot of hot air over nothing new. i feel like i should start a bolting debate just to distract people

allison...it's just that it's the same old thing every single time someone gets their knickers in a knot about being moderated. the whole thing gets totally overblown. i think there are better ways to handle it than create yet another thread on it. sorry you don't like the way i'm presenting feedback

trask you know that only spray mods can moderate you in spray. anyone of us can ban you though

you guys quit fucking whining. if you have an issue with how a specific post has been edited PM someone about it. i personally don't edit/modify posts. i delete or it stays as is. you're all acting like the dreaded c word i personally am not going to waste my time editing spray. the other forums perhaps deserve more close moderation and perhaps editing instead of deleting. if you feel the meaning of your post has been significantly altered repost or delete all together. these whine fests just add one more thread to moderate.

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yes...environmentalist oppose climbing, breathing, and frankly the fact that humans exist i think it depends on which group you're refering to. and yes, it makes it difficult to call yourself an environmentalists when the whole concept is characterized by extremists. same reason more women don't call themselves femminists

you should be banned on principle for not responding to that line this seems like a perfectly reasonable request to me

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i have the distinct impression that i should ban you or at least delete this post. however it's written in such convoluted fashion that i can't even begin to work up the energy to decipher it trask you're a goat lover. go tend your herd instead of posting this drivel

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