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* Cough *cough*, Not getting out much are ya?

Climbing post link Can't respond to the first part of your post. To the 2nd point, probably just need to be on the rockclimbing thread and not spray so much Ryland. Kev's still feeling his way around and getting his feet, despite the thousands of posts he's garnered. Group hug, good weather, lets get out this weekend and meet back on the rockclimbing thread!

Nice find Jeff!

_______________________________________________________________ Truest thing said yet on this thread.

If you guys met Kevin you'd like him.

B4 After

Well your absense was noted. BUT Troy, Jeff and Ujhan showed. Joseph was up doing a lap solo, he joined in and we all cranked and yanked, turned and burned and it was good. For early season weak muscles that it. John was missing, and he's always good company so I don't know where he went.

Hey Ivan, you made my point for me. Franco just got laid to rest a bit ago and is barely cold. His buddy Mussolini wasn't gone much longer. Which makes my point quite capably. France, BTW, is now in it's 4th republic, it hasn't all been fun and games as it turns out. England, I can't explain away so easily, they did the Magna carta before guns and have some history of rebellion here and there, including the colonies.....give them time. BTW, I never said that IN EVERY CASE when the population is NOT armed they will be taken over by some self-promoting windbag who has military backing, But when the population is not armed is when you see that.

Proving only that you are still welcome to your opinion Matt, even when you are so drastically wrong.

rome - repeatedly from 100 BC to 400 AD france - 1790's usa - 1770s (the south had plenty of guns and largely fought for the brits) somalia - 1990s shit - all of africa in the 20th century? In re-reading my statement, what I meant to say was perhaps you can find an example of a widely armed population having a civilian democratic goverment being overthrown by a junta or military for me? If a country has a "king for life", I think that's a whole nother ball of wax. Your French and American example bolsters my arguement. I'll give you Rome.

Perhaps you can find an example of a widely armed population having a civilian goverment being overthrown by a junta or military for me?

link You see stuff like this come and go. " As many as six South American regimes took part in the joint campaign to hunt down and kill their left-wing opponents." Later as civilian unrest widens, so does the killing as a way in which the authorities are able to maintain power throught terror. In countries where a junta is shunted aside and a democracy installed, another junta will often show up later. Easily created where a power vacumn has formed due to the lack of a widespread armed popluation.

Not true. Maybe you can name a country with univeral weapons ownership that has had issues? Perhaps you are thinking of places having a civil war, maybe Nicarcua when the US was supplying one side, or El Salvador. The government of Guatamala was able to terroise the population and murder thousands of innocent civilians because only the govenment had weapons. They are still digging up people in Chili, Ecuador and Brazil due to similar circumstances. Some of those countries have some, but not even close to all, opposition armed, Uruguay and Peru: for instance, which causes a whole differnet set of problems with normal - not able to get armed -people getting slaughtered by both sides. The shining path in Peru has weapons, but they are running around a country devoid of them outside of the military. The sides doing the slaughtering know that the side with the most effeicient and biggest weapons will rule the country. And control the media too. Which is why they don't want assholes like us having weapons.

Any resemblance between moi and Jefferson or Hamilton is purely coincidental. However: it seems to me, in observing other countries as Juntas develop, if you control the weapons, then later controlling the media and speech is an easy thing - and not the reverse. Joni Mitchell: " You don't know what you got till it's gone".

Although I appreciate the thought, you thankfully haven't heard the embarrasing stories of my crazy anti-social bad bar behavior during the 2003-2004 pub club season. These stories generally start with me not getting a refill and soon enough it goes rapidly, unexpectedly and loudly downhill from there. There are people who use to post here who won't drink with me anymore. ________________________________________________________ Other club member: "Please stop whistling at the waitress". Me (leaning forward across the beer soaked table to make Robert Deniro eyecontact): "Are you F*ckin talkin to ME?!! Bad I'm sayin....

Discuss

What Mark said, and if he's up for the 11a you mention and it's too cool for Gandolfs (on the north face in the shade) , put Supersition on top of yer list, full on sun and sweet route. Maybe it will be dusted off and cleaned up again and I'll have a shot at it later in the year. (Re: gear for this one, small wireds help) Good route.

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Nice Wirlwind, did you write that?

opps, nevermind

Oh crap, dude just turned 63 too and I spaced it. Pretty decrepit., old, wrinkly, mature interesting. He's going to the valley with us soon, I'll try and snap a pic or 2. I think most of us are at or close to the half century mark. Must be the "geriatric tour". Dave Hardin and Victor will meet us there, Dave's retired, Victor has grey hair. At least if I hang on Serenity I'll have an excuse now (haven't ever hung yet, but it's coming I'm sure). I can say "I'm 52, which sounds better in my mind than "I'm a weak tired pusssyyyyyy"

Holy shit. 6? Wow, wish I could help you figure it out. I didn't have any idea......6? Wow. Good luck.

Great, so it's John, Troy, Ujhan and me so far. Anyone else need to finish ripping some ligaments or tearing some muscles now's the time to do it. This is my first time out to the Butte this year.

Yes, do I provide those now and can you pre-approve them so that they are not exposed to ridicule in advance? _______________________________________________________________ That's what the late Timothy McVey thought and proved too. The founding fathers thought both were important. (whos got the pagetop now Dru?)